Catholics, Protestants, and Immaculate Mary

The Catholic Thing ^ | December 8, 2012 | David G. Bonagura, Jr.

[metmom]

The phrase *mother of Jesus* DOES show up in Scripture, however.

[annalex]

the use of torture

At the time it was used, it was thought of as a sound interrogation technique. We would not use it today.

the Crusades all over again

I see nothing wrong with the Holy Crusades as a whole, except maybe that some of them did not succeed, and Constantinople shouldn't have been sacked. One day, we'll do it right.

[metmom]

Why do you make claims about the Church that you have been shown to be false, again and again?

OK. So then you're saying that salvation is NOT by works?

Then it doesn't matter if one is baptized, goes to confession, takes communion, gets confirmed, feeds the hungry, clothes the naked, helps the poor, gets last rites, goes to mass every Sunday....

Right?

Salvation by faith. WITHOUT works.

[CynicalBear]

>>Humanity’s first sin was to want to be like God.<<

Uh oh. Looks like the RCC has a problem.

CCC 460 The Word became flesh to make us "partakers of the divine nature":78 "For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God."79 "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."80 "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."81

>> In Matthew 17, the Apostles saw Elijah and Moses, along with Jesus after His crucifixion<<

Did you also notice in that Chapter that the deciples tried to “venerate” Moses and Elias but the Father immediately intervened and put the focus back on Jesus?

And notice this.

Matthew 17: 5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

A little lesson there from the Father on who to “hear”.

>>Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back”.

I didn’t notice that there were any saints in that battle. Or did you comment “those in heaven” serve only as an illusion that you meant saints?

[RegulatorCountry]

Well, y’all need to work on that little problem of killing your own Crusaders yourselves, first, lol.

[annalex]

Be specific if you expect to correct me

When I have a post on hand, yours or anyone's, I point out what specifically contradict scripture in it and post relevant scripture. If the post contradicts something else -- logic or history, for example, -- I explain that, aslo specifically. If you see an instance where you posted something specific, I responded critically, and did not explain specifically why I objected, please point that exchange out.

[annalex]

There is HUGE difference between them.

Perhaps. Since I did not use the term "omnipresent" in the context of angels, and Cynical Bear introduced it to bait me, argue with him.

[stfassisi]

Anyone know of a good Saint to ask for prayer from too? Who is the patron Saint of the flu?

Certainly! It's Saint Roch also know as Saint Rocco

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In 1414, during the Council of Constance, the plague having broken out in that city, the Fathers of the Council ordered public prayers and processions in honour of the saint, and immediately the plague ceased. His relics, according to Wadding, were carried furtively to Venice in 1485, where they are still venerated. He is also a patron Saint for dogs

Prayer to Saint Roch

Dear medicant Pilgrim, you once took care of sufferers from the plague and were always ready to help other by kind service and fervent prayers. You yourself had no home and you died in a dungeon. No wonder countless invalids have confidently invoked your help. Please grant a cure to our friend "FourtySeven", and help us all become spiritually healthy.

[Elsie]

Song of Solomon 1:13

“He shall lie all night betwixt my breasts.”

[Elsie]

When one is the One and Only arbiter of Truth, well One can do whatever One wants, no?

You got it, Brother!!

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'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone,

' it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.'

'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'

'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'  

[CynicalBear]

>> You get close to what the Church teaches with that.<<

Close but then the RCC adds some stuff to it right?

[Elsie]

Faith is enough.

What MUST we do...

[Elsie]

The Catholic church says what the bible says...

...plus a whole lot more!

[annalex]

do you believe it had the power and right condoned by Jesus Christ to torture and give over to be executed those they condemned because of their supposed "heresies"?

The Holy Inquisition operated legally everywhere it did, in accordance with the understanding of political power in, for example, Romans 13. It did not practice charity sufficiently enough to expect to be condoned by Christ in all its specific acts. It was a system of justice operated by fallible men fallibly, but it was no more at fault than any other system of justice operating at the time, and it was doing the will of Christ in preserving the faith in purity. The Holy Inquisition must not cease its work using modern judicial methodology; the Catholic Church in America is in dire need for its attention. When a seminary is cleansed from homosexuals, or an order is disciplined, it is God's work being done, and may we have more of it.

[Elsie]

Yes, like in any justice system, the purpose of punishment is for the public good.

Then I guess Rome is all for Capital Punishment?

Or Rehabilitation?

[CynicalBear]

Looks like the wisdom of man to me.

[annalex]

See a couple of my recent posts on that topic.

[Elsie]

A witch at the time was not understood as a separate religion, but as a Catholic woman possessed by devils.

I guess that is why Jesus asked the possessed Gadarene if he were a JEW before He sent the demons into the pigs.

[Elsie]

The point is that I know Christ is in the Eucharist from His own words: “This is my body”, and similar.

While He was standing there with ANOTHER 'body' that He inherited from Mary.

Interesting...

[Elsie]

At the time it was used, it was thought of as a sound interrogation technique. We would not use it today.

So; the 'church' was wrong.

Ineresting...