Posted on 11/28/2012 6:00:38 PM PST by Colofornian
http://www.lds.org/church/news/mormonor ... c?lang=eng
How about being straight up and saying that Mormons put on costumes and chant rituals in secret buildings that only 10% of gross earnings paid as "tithes" allow entrance?
Mormonism wants people to think they are normal that they are just Christians like everyone else. Each year they get rid of more and more of their embarrassing doctrines - or doctrines that aren't politically correct anymore. Apologist attack dogs fight any critics on technicalities.
Mormonism has one thing that works for them - and that is the funneling of cash from members to the Cult coffers. This is done through mandatory tithe. And in order to make this tithe work - and make the member believe in the Cult enough to pay - they have to have the secret temple ceremonies. You have to put a ton of make believe in there.
Stephen R. Donaldson is one of my favorite authors. In one of his series of books he explained how a great and noble group of leaders were slowly corrupted through the centuries by simple infiltration of ideas. The ideas changed the group slowly until they went from helping people to human sacrifices. The new leaders of the group knew what was going on - but they surrounded themselves with those who only had faith - not knowledge. Those who had faith were much stronger because they were driven by the new cult. Those who held faith were much easier to control.
Pondering the story Donaldson had written I saw the same manifested in the Cult of Mormonism. If you have members who are so convinced you are the one and only true Cult, they will not hesitate to open their pocketbooks and hand over everything. Mormonism needs this kind of special, secret, garment wearing, new name, pay lay ale - in order to keep the tithes flowing. If the cat is out of the bag, the tithing will stop.
So the reality is there is a certain point where Mormonism must stop moving towards Christianity - it has to because money is ultimately the top priority of the Cult. Money - Power - Control.
Look at all the recovery boards right now - even the NOM boards. What is the #1 topic right now because of upcoming December? Tithing. Tithing. Tithing. Oh and don't forget tithing. Sign up for tithing settlement. And don't forget to sign up for tithing settlement.
“All of our messaging is focused on helping people understand that Mormons are Christian,”
Naw, Mormonism isn't a Christian church. It's a secretive Cult with very cultish practices and it has to stay that way - or go broke.
I think you’ve mis-read. Hating Mormons was not mentioned by me, it was Mormonism hate that was mentioned. There is a biiig difference if you read all the threads.
Hmm. Even more interesting. You say I am incorrect when I think you are passionately against any kind of hatred. What kind of hatred do you not oppose?
What kind you got? I’ll go down the list and let you know.
Joseph smith testified of Jesus, not of himself.
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“I’m greater than Jesus” ...Joseph Smith, May, 1844
One month later God destroyed that same false prophet whether or not he ever did “testified of Jesus, not of himself”
Why did God wait 15 years ???
God has a long patience...
This is what is known as assuming the consequent. You are “right” therefore your augments stand which prove you are right.
Sophistry does not prove you right, nor make for polite conversation.
Jesus did NOT “work his way to Godhood”, he is a member of the Godhead from before the earth was created for he was the creator of it. (From Eternity to all Eternity ring a bell?)
Mormonism teaches that Jesus paid the price from the garden to the cross, both were necessary parts of the atonement.
According to actual Mormon doctrine, without the grace of Jesus, all works are vain. In order to take advantage of Jesus’ atonement, we must obey the commandments that he gives us.
If all you have to do is believe, then why did Jesus tell us anything besides “believe”?
There is no “LDS Jesus”, only the Biblical Jesus, we just disagree about some of the interpretations of the bible.
Joseph Smith said that all other churches had been corrupted (I think all churches have said this at some point) and that without the restored gospel of Jesus Christ, there was no salvation.
“mormonISM does not teach a perfect gospel as in the Bible as they teach it was not translated correctly.”
LOL!
Let me make a simple statement of logic. IF the Bible was perfect and irrefutable and everyone understood it the same way, wouldn't there only be one Church?
The Catholic Bible has more books than the one used by Protestants, there are scriptures quoted by Jesus and the apostles that are not in the Bible, there are known translation errors in the bible.
“When lds says begotten, they are talking about intercourse between the lds god and Mary, you are aware of that correct?”
A) When you can't win in the arena of debate say something nasty is usually a liberal tactic. Mormons believe in the virgin birth (which means no sex with anyone)
B) The statement that we believe in Jesus being the “literal son of God”, it does not mean anything perverted.
IMHO, you have a dirty mind and Jesus will not be happy with anyone who impugns his mother's rigorousness.
Now, I have a question for you, since this has been asked and answered before (http://www.freerepublic.com/~delphiuser/#TheVirginMary) and it's repeated only for shock value, when does repeating a falsehood become lying for Jesus?
Delph
Your position is so sure that you welcome open and fair debate. /Sarc
Delph
There comes a point where a bigot is just a bigot and not an intellectual discussion of someone else’s religion.
Liberals can call me what they want, and I call bigots what I want. Just not in the religion forum.
You’re the one who said I was wrong to think you were passionately against all kinds of hatred. How can I possibly guess which hatreds you are OK with? There’s an infinity of possibilities. Next thing you know you’ll be asking me to make bricks without straw. :)
....I may be a new poster, but I am an old lurker here, and I never viewed FR as anti any religion, possible exception being Islam.
You're right about one thing - you are new here.
C “Why would I be offended by truly Christian missionaries?”
I'll be right over, because we are.
C “As for Mormon missionaries, I am offended not by their presence...rather...
(a) That they counterfeit themselves as “Christians” (if they want to sell the Mormon brand, tis another matter)
(b) Their bait & switch tactics (more on this next post)
(c) And that tho the D&C & Lds leaders mentions the missionary “ministry” of warning others...that Lds don't accord the same privilege to us — to warn Mormons...(more on that later)”
A) Assuming the consequent again...
B) If we believe we are christian... Assuming the Consequent again...
C) I have personally never turned away a missionary from my door, I am always polite and hospitable, Water, juice, etc. I listen to the message and do not bible bash with the unsuspecting innocents who give me plenty of openings. On my mission, I graduated from a Buddhist monastery because I wanted to understand the people I was teaching, and the Lord arranged the opportunity. I invited a baptist minister to come and deliver a message to my congregation, when he complained of exactly what you are saying here. It was all very collegial and polite.
So, I take away from your answers that you hate Mormons and consider us unworthy to bear the name of Jesus.
Fine, I thought Jesus loved everyone and that you claim to be his follower... I don't feel loved by you.
God bless and guide you to his grace.
Delph
As the devil knows, the most effective deception is based upon truth, and thus, like Joe Smith, he quoted the Scriptures in seeking to deceive.
And while Mormonic doctrine invokes God and the atonement, the God they point to was once a man who evolved into God, contra Ps. 90:2 (cf. Jn. 4:24) and that the heavens and earth were created by a council of Gods, while the Son was a product of God's conception thru Eve, one of his many wives, making Jesus a spirit brother to Lucifer, and whose plan for mans progression was rejected in favor of Christ's.
And which is only the beginning of Mormonic unScriptural fantasy but which they damn all outside her ranks, and then complain when their claims are exposed and reproved in the light of Scripture.
#2 the history of religion is a history of men damning others to hell for believing diffrently, quite often, while killing them.
And which the LDs is guilty of, and if it was not restrained from following the course its accommodation (of Smith's desire) theology set it on then more would have followed, and we would not be allowed to criticize it, which the LDS sought to prevent in Salt Lake city.
In his letter to the Corinthians, Paul stresses that Christ's death was of primary importance in the atonement. In 1 Corinthians 15:1-3 he wrote, "Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve.
Paul doesn't state that "that Christ SWEATED for our sins
Hardly stuart. Your continual bleat about all the ‘haters’ rings true to my previous post to you. You want to label people ‘haters’ as a means to stop discussion - censor speech. Nice liberal tactic - why are you trying to walk it back now - not proud of it?
Paul doesn’t state that that Christ SWEATED for our sins
IIRC you urinated on JR's leg (metaphorically) and told him how much you dispised FR. JR obliged and gave you the zot. Anyone who was barred was due to their own actions - not religion.
You asked what kind of hatred do I not oppose. Since I do not know all the kinds of hatred there is, and you asked that question, I assumed you knew what you were talking about. That is why I asked for your list, and I would look at it, and let you know.
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