Posted on 11/28/2012 6:00:38 PM PST by Colofornian
http://www.lds.org/church/news/mormonor ... c?lang=eng
How about being straight up and saying that Mormons put on costumes and chant rituals in secret buildings that only 10% of gross earnings paid as "tithes" allow entrance?
Mormonism wants people to think they are normal that they are just Christians like everyone else. Each year they get rid of more and more of their embarrassing doctrines - or doctrines that aren't politically correct anymore. Apologist attack dogs fight any critics on technicalities.
Mormonism has one thing that works for them - and that is the funneling of cash from members to the Cult coffers. This is done through mandatory tithe. And in order to make this tithe work - and make the member believe in the Cult enough to pay - they have to have the secret temple ceremonies. You have to put a ton of make believe in there.
Stephen R. Donaldson is one of my favorite authors. In one of his series of books he explained how a great and noble group of leaders were slowly corrupted through the centuries by simple infiltration of ideas. The ideas changed the group slowly until they went from helping people to human sacrifices. The new leaders of the group knew what was going on - but they surrounded themselves with those who only had faith - not knowledge. Those who had faith were much stronger because they were driven by the new cult. Those who held faith were much easier to control.
Pondering the story Donaldson had written I saw the same manifested in the Cult of Mormonism. If you have members who are so convinced you are the one and only true Cult, they will not hesitate to open their pocketbooks and hand over everything. Mormonism needs this kind of special, secret, garment wearing, new name, pay lay ale - in order to keep the tithes flowing. If the cat is out of the bag, the tithing will stop.
So the reality is there is a certain point where Mormonism must stop moving towards Christianity - it has to because money is ultimately the top priority of the Cult. Money - Power - Control.
Look at all the recovery boards right now - even the NOM boards. What is the #1 topic right now because of upcoming December? Tithing. Tithing. Tithing. Oh and don't forget tithing. Sign up for tithing settlement. And don't forget to sign up for tithing settlement.
“All of our messaging is focused on helping people understand that Mormons are Christian,”
Naw, Mormonism isn't a Christian church. It's a secretive Cult with very cultish practices and it has to stay that way - or go broke.
Hey, as long as you below in One God the Father-Son-and_Holy Spirit, who came to save us by his one-time sacrifice, you're a Christian brother to me..
Because you’re not.
SVCW: You are a seer, why didn't I pick up on that before?
ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(Svcw...I think Stuart's "special gifting" here is with complete strangers)
Most are too freaking lazy to do their homework on the candidates and are quite content to accept what the LSM feeds them. A Progressive, whether Pubbie or Dem, is a Leftist. Both presidential candidates are admitted Progressives.
If you dig just a little deeper and look at each of their records of what they accomplished confirms that they are Leftists. One favors the productive and the other the unproductive. A rose by any other name is still a rose.
Look at how big the lottery has become across the nation. How foolish is it to think you can get something for nothing or can get rich quick. Many on welfare (individual and corporate) do, too!
Look at how many states have homosexual marriage now with the help of Leftist judges and now by the ballot box. No nation in the recent or ancient past EVER gave that state backing. Tell a lie long enough and packaged the right way the most wise of people and nations will believe it.
This is a guaranteed path to national suicide.
This is why America and the West are on the brink of collapse into another dark age. The Leftists have played Americans for fools and they are winning on pretty much every front.
And when it all collapses in the blink of an eye it will be very, very easy for a messiah-like figure to come to the rescue to save the world from its foolish self and become world dictator.
No. I dislike it and all it stands for and just don’t like seeing it on my favorite forum. This is about the only place I encounter it or something like it, on a regular base.
I weep in my heart for all those that have it as what appears to me, to be a major part of their online lives.
No. I dislike it and all it stands for and just don’t like seeing it on my favorite forum. This is about the only place I encounter it or something like it, on a regular base.
I weep in my heart for all those that have it as what appears to me, to be a major part of their online lives.
Restorations of the gospel (which happened many times in the Bible) start with a prophet of God being called.
Jesus was considered a heretic for calling the orthodox Jews of his day to repentance.
“So when you state that the lds jesus is the heart of mormonISM, whom are you speaking of?”
A) I never said “lds Jesus”
B) I am speaking of Jesus Christ, the only begotten of the father in the flesh, the salvation of all mankind who lived a sinless life, preached a perfect gospel and died upon the cross for my sins (and yours too), broke the bands of death, as only a being who is fully God and Fully man could have done thus bringing us sinful men the hope of both resurrection and salvation.
It's funny how anti’s feel the need to damn me to hell (by denying me Christ) while I only feel the need to preach repentance and prayer.
I wonder why?
Delph
One more thing. Look at how many Mormons there are. Think about that amount of people that actually believe that they can be a god or goddess when it EXPLICITY is stated in the Torah/Bible that there is only one God and there are no others.
That’s a lot of fools and quite many live in America! And look at those evangelicals who supposedly are Christians and supposedly believe what the Torah/Bible says that there is only one God and can be no others, but yet vote for a fool who thinks he can be a god!
I think that would be fools following fools. The blind leading the blind!
Sorry, my 8-ball only works for me.
Thanks!
your civilized response is...
Appreciated, surprising, and most of all conservative!!!!
JFTR, most organized religion can be called authoritarian by someone, I personally have never felt that way. The plethora of Ex-Mormons here proves that if you don’t like it... LEAVE!
God bless and keep you safe from those who will attack you for being polite to a Mormon.
Delph
No one can condemn you to hell, every goes or does not go of their own free will. It is your choice and yours alone.
I said lds jesus, because he is not the Biblical Jesus, the two are completely different.
What you stated in #B is not what mormonISM teaches.
The lds jesus was a man who worked his way to godhood, he was not sinless, he earned that state.
mormonISM does not teach a perfect gospel as in the Bible as they teach it was not translated correctly.
Yes, the lds jesus died on the cross but mormonISM teaches his price was paid in the garden not on the cross.
mormonISM teaches salvation must be worked for, there is no grace, there is only works.
The Biblical Jesus is not the lds jesus, which is why I asked which jesus.
JM said he was greater than jesus, JM followers stated without JM there would be no salvation.
When lds says begotten, they are talking about intercourse between the lds god and Mary, you are aware of that correct?
Come on, RM, can I just say it! Just let me, please.
“But if I hadn’t found such threads, I wouldn’t have been able to point out to someone I love and care about that the Mormon “Jesus” buried entire cities of people alive.”
Have you read the old testament?
God ordered the Hebrews to kill men, women, children, animals, raze buildings, destroy cultures to purify the land.
Have you heard of Sodom an Gomorrah? Fire and brimstone?
If all you read in the Bible is the new testament, then sections of the Book of Mormon will seem a bit harsh to you... then again so will sections of the Bible.
“If you don’t think that Mormon doctrine should be challenged, fine. We disagree. If you would like to discuss Mormon doctrine, please correct me where I am wrong.”
Public forums where there are people with a vested interest in bashing are not a “good place” for spiritual discussions. If you are serous about getting answers, I am perfectly capable of answering, but it’ll be a private conversation. When Paul preached to the Greeks, the Greeks had enough manners to allow for even debate and respected logic and truth, sadly I have not observed or experienced that on religion threads here.
“I find the Book of Mormon characterization of Jesus to be heresy, quite frankly. I have no problem calling it out for what it is, although I invite counterargument and discussion. That’s why I am posting this on a RELIGIOUS thread.”
Fine, I find the Nicean creed to be heresy. I have no problem calling a dogma created by a pagan emperor in AD 325 and foisted upon all Christendom as the true nature of God heresy either, but it does not promote either understanding nor conservatism, which unless things have changed recently, is the focus of this site.
From our cannon: http://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/a-of-f/1.11?lang=eng#10
11 We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
“Again, your opinion may vary. If you think my comments above are hateful, oh well!”
I find you extremely polite so far for someone who disagrees, you do so very agreeably :-)
Be well
Delph
If you object to “just ours” and with the stipulation that we actually believe what we are preaching, why would an objection from anyone but Jesus cause us to stop what we believe we have been commanded to do by Jesus Christ?
Delph
Interesting. You don’t hate hate, you merely dislike it. So dislike is less than hate? You don’t loath and detest hatred? You just dislike it like you probably dislike getting stuck in traffic? Here I thought you were passionately against hatred of any kind (all your posts suggest this), and now you merely dislike it? Confusing...
You thought incorrectly, obviously, but don’t beat yourself up over it.
Why would I be offended by truly Christian missionaries?
As for Mormon missionaries, I am offended not by their presence...rather...
(a) That they counterfeit themselves as "Christians" (if they want to sell the Mormon brand, tis another matter)
(b) Their bait & switch tactics (more on this next post)
(c) And that tho the D&C & Lds leaders mentions the missionary "ministry" of warning others...that Lds don't accord the same privilege to us -- to warn Mormons...(more on that later)
A common tactic of the left is to label opposing view points as hate as a vehicle to silence opposition. This is even more evident given the glaring absence of any meaningful rebuttal or presentation of other information. It is sad to see Freepers stooping to leftist anti-free speech tactics in order to shut down discussion of the issures or articles.
Yes, DelphiUser, I have read the Old Testament. Yes I have heard of Sodom and Gomorrah, and yes I have heard of fire and brimstone.
However, I believe that my Jesus came to spread the word of love, and would not have destroyed entire cities. For that and other reasons, I don’t believe the Book of Mormon is true. I’m not sure why you would rather talk to me about this in private instead of debating this openly; well reasoned arguments should be able to stand public review.
Either way I would like your thoughts on how to reconcile my previously cited passage of Luke, quoting Jesus, with 3 Nephi, Chapters 8 and 9.
I can’t.
Not a correct representation DU, don't you mean fully A god?
. . . while I only feel the need to preach repentance and prayer.
Have you truly repented DU?
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