Posted on 11/10/2012 7:59:09 AM PST by Colofornian
MessageToEagle.com - Normally, as a matter of personal preference I don’t get into politics, but when we have a presidential campaign that begins to cross over into the strange twilight zone of religious weirdness that centers on the one person who’s going to control the most powerful government and army on the face of the earth, well, it brings up some unusual scenarios to wonder about.
It is being reported in the media today that former presidential candidate Mitt Romney only wrote a victory speech for Election Day; presumably a harried, last minute scramble to revise his speech was being suggested as the reason behind the Romney-Ryan campaigns’ sluggish reluctance to concede their party’s unthinkable defeat.
Electoral Votes:
Barack Obama: 303 Mitt Romney: 206
Curiously, one has to wonder whether it was Romney’s obsession with polls and tracking data that lead to this overextension of hubris; his unshakable faith that he would be the next president of the United States—or could it have been Romney’s Mormon faith itself that lead him to believe victory was all but assured by some divine mandate?
Ascending to the office of the presidency has always been a coveted part of the mission of the Mormon Church, which began with its founder Joseph Smith, who as a young man experienced a close encounter with a being from another planet named Moroni, who descended from the heavens and instructed Smith to found a new religion (as seen on History Channel’s Ancient Aliens, S3E01)—today, in Ufology, such a happenstance would likely be classified as a contactee CE5 level event.
“I saw a pillar of light . . . which descended gradually until it fell upon me” – Joseph Smith.
In 1844 Joseph Smith, an apparent UFO contactee and the founder of the Mormon Church, brazenly launched his own political campaign for President of the United States. His stated goal was to overthrow the U.S. Constitution, and bring about a Mormon theocracy to the Nation.
Smith’s candidacy was always long shot, but that didn’t stop him from rallying his people to help clinch his destiny to be an independent commander in chief of the “army of God”.
Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not bow to his demands that “they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them.” He foresaw the emergence of “the one Mighty and Strong”—a leader who would “set in order the house of God”.
Smith’s call for a “theodemocracy where God and his people hold the power to conduct the affairs of men in righteous matters” evidently did not sit well with the majority of voters in the United States, and brought down a lot of bad press and hostility upon the Mormons. Smith’s presidential campaign was cut short while he was sitting in jail facing charges of treason and inciting a riot; an angry mob broke into the jailhouse and brought him to justice by shooting him to death.
Out of this early chapter of U.S. history developed what has became known in the Mormon Church as the “White Horse Prophecy”—a controversial prediction that someday a great Mormon leader, who, at a time when the U.S. Constitution “hangs like a thread as fine as a silk fiber”, would be elected President.
I know a little bit about Mormonism and their beliefs. I grew up and lived in Salt Lake City most all my life, I sat through many days of LDS seminary at public schools, and I also attended a private Mormon school as a teenager.
My family has roots in the Mormon pioneer heritage and early history. My ancestors, the Neff’s, came to the Salt Lake Valley in 1847, from Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. My great-great-great-grandfather John Neff, Sr. settled Neff’s canyon in East Millcreek, Utah. He was also a close friend of Brigham Young and accompanied him into Northern Utah to proselyte amongst the Native Americans there. His daughter, Mary Ann Neff, married the notorious Mormon gunslinger and Utah folkhero Orrin Porter Rockwell.
Orrin Porter Rockwell was one scary-looking son of a bitch . . .
Rockwell served as a loyal henchman to Church founders Joseph Smith Jr. and Brigham Young—and was affectionately nick-named ‘Ol’ Port’ the ‘Destroying Angel of Mormondom’.
In his despicable and sordid history, Ol’ Port was intimately connected to political assassinations, revenge-killings, and gruesome Indian massacres. He’s praised for having avenged the Prophet Joseph Smith’s murder by shooting one of the conspirators with his musket while riding astride a horse.
There have been a few failed attempts in various movies and books to elevate the psychopath to the status of a gritty American hero of the old west —fortunately, none of them have really stuck.
A few of the many curious tenants of Mormonism I heard growing up in Salt Lake City were as follows . . .
*Cain, the killer of his brother Abel, is alive and wanders the earth, wearing no clothing but being covered by hair, and that LDS Church apostle David W. Patten encountered him once; and that reported sightings of Bigfoot can be explained by this story.
*Blacks were neutral in the War in Heaven, and that is why they were not allowed to hold the Mormon priesthood before 1978.
*Albert Einstein supposedly once said that LDS Church apostle James E. Talmage was the smartest man he had ever met.
*The Second Coming was imminent, and when I was age 25 I would be living in the “Last Days” (I’m in my 40’s now).
And here’s where Mitt Romney’s presidential candidacy enters the picture—
I remember my 7th grade LDS seminary teacher sermonizing about the “signs” of the ‘Last Days’.
One of his favorite ‘signs’ that he liked to talk about was that a great Mormon leader would be elected President of the United States, and this would be a major indication that the Last Days were imminent, e.g. the White Horse Prophecy.
Some say that the White Horse Prophecy was written by Joseph Smith himself, while others dispute that claim. According to the Salt Lake City Tribune:
The disputed prophecy was recorded in a diary entry of a Mormon who had heard the tale from two men who were with Joseph Smith in Nauvoo, Ill. when he supposedly declared the prophecy. “You will see the Constitution of the United States almost destroyed,” the diary entry quotes Smith as saying. “It will hang like a thread as fine as a silk fiber.”
Not only will the Mormons save the Constitution, under the prediction, but the prophecy goes further, insinuating that Mormons will control the government.
“Power will be given to the White Horse to rebuke the nations afar off, and you obey it, for the laws go forth from Zion,” the prophecy says.
Publicly, the Mormon Church doesn’t officially endorse the ‘White Horse Prophecy’ as doctrine, and will deny anything to do with it (just as Romney has whenever it’s been brought up)—however, there’s a telling piece of Mormon dogma that people may find disturbing. It was set in place by Joseph Smith himself, and is referred to as “lying for the Lord.”
As an act of self preservation or to protect the Mormon Church, it is doctrinally permissive to lie about your beliefs or intentions. In other words the ends justify the means. Smith did it with regard to his polygamous lifestyle. Brigham Young did it when he claimed that only Paiute Indians were responsible for the Mountain Meadows Massacre.
Over and over again, Mitt Romney marginalized his devout Mormon background, and downplayed its significance throughout his entire campaign. But in the 1970’s the ‘Cougar Club’ at Brigham Young University declared their admiration of Mitt and predicted that he’d be the president of the United States one day. According to an article on Salon.com:
…the Cougar Club — the all male, all white social club at Brigham Young University in Salt Lake City (blacks were excluded from full membership in the Mormon church until 1978) — was humming with talk that its president, Mitt Romney, would become the first Mormon president of the United States. “If not Mitt, then who?” was the ubiquitous slogan within the elite organization. The pious world of BYU was expected to spawn the man who would lead the Mormons into the White House and fulfill the prophecies of the church’s founder, Joseph Smith Jr., which Romney has avidly sought to realize.
With all this in mind, it’s hard not to look back and wonder . . .
Could Mitt Romney have been intending to run the United States as a Mormon theocratic state, as fortold by his Church’s prophet Joseph Smith?
Would a President Romney have executed the will of the people of the United States, and answered to the people—or would he only answer to God via the hierarchy of the Mormon Church?
What if a “revelation” or “vision” was received by the current President of the LDS Church (or Prophet), and passed on to ‘President Romney’ as a directive from God?–would Romney have executed that directive, even if it had gone against the will of the U.S. people, or the World?
Thankfully, this is probably one mystery we’ll never know the answer to . . .
Written by Dustin Naef - MessageToEagle.com Contributor
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Don't hold your breath! :o)
I LOVE your tagline.
Now can you, met, stop bearing false witness?
Come on, we can have a discussion with Dave Smith, get frustrated by his lack of agreeing with us (or, on the other shoe, he's probably frustrated with us not agreeing with HIM :), but if we degenerate into the above, neither of us gains anything.
We don't convince the other, we probably make the other decide not to even read into or think over what we have said.
a calm discussion can lead to people thinking over things, or at the very least agreeing to disagree
Yet do you hold that Jesus is wholly natural AND wholly Divine? Or just wholly Divine?
The Mormon religion is based on there having been Semitic Lamites etc. -- the FACT that there were no such semites instantly destroys the foundation of the Mormon religion -- I have no need to debate religiously or philosophically with them if the historicity is so utterly false.
I will debate with them first on the historicity -- if they can prove to me that there were: Semites in pre-Columbus America, then I would be willing to engage further in philosophical debates. Otherwise there is no point imho
We don't visualize a dead Christ on the cross but a living Divine man.
That doesn’t answer my question — do you believe that Jesus Christ is/was 100% human and 100% God?
Most MORMONs you'll run across do NOT know these facts; so, in MY humble opinion; they need to find them out; one way or another.
If one wants to 'debate' and not just toss out their ingrained talking points; then undoubtably good will come from it.
After He rose, He came to His Glorified state. While He was on earth, He spent His life battling the hells and putting off His Human nature, as recorded in scripture (He wasn't born 'perfect'). Our regeneration and salvation is patterned after that.
Most importantly, He is the Word made flesh. I’ll be posting a Bible Study on that later that I’ll ping you on...
Ok, wait.
Over the last posts you appear to be saying:
all paths lead to God
Jesus was not perfect but somehow worked his way there
humans are divine
we work for our salvation
there is no hell
(I can see why mormonISM is so attractive for you)
Narrow is the path. Only the Lord is Divine.
Matthew 10:38 NKJV And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me.
Matthew 16:24 NKJV Then Jesus said to His disciples, "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me.
Mark 8:34 NKJV When He had called the people to Himself, with His disciples also, He said to them, "Whoever desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me.
Mark 10:21 NKJV Then Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, "One thing you lack: Go your way, sell whatever you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, take up the cross, and follow Me."
Luke 9:23 NKJV Then He said to them all, "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me.
Revelation 3:2 NKJV Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God.
There is indeed hell - see discussion above with boatbums
Sandy is promoting the false intimation that Graham no longer believes Mormonism is a cult. That is not true. From Eric Johnson.
“We called the BGEA on October 24 and talked to a representative. When we asked if the media were putting words into BGEA’s proverbial mouth—that “Mormonism was no longer a cult”—the spokesman fully agreed that the BGEA’s action was being misinterpreted. He added that nowhere did the association ever make such a statement. According to Ken Barun, “We removed the information from the website because we do not wish to participate in a theological debate about something that has become politicized during this campaign.”
It can be debated whether this move was the wisest decision. In hindsight, the BGEA leadership must now understand that taking the article down created much more of a stir than if the article had just remained on the site. By deleting it, the media was able to twist this action into saying that Billy Graham must somehow no longer think that Mormonism is a cult. This simply is not the case.
http://www.mrm.org/billy-graham-mormonism-christianity
BGEA still considers Mormonism a cult.
I even stop religion at family get togethers with my kids. They have different opinions and I tell them to shut up at my home...That way they don't get mad at each other...But they do email politics, problem is one of them has me on their politics list so I get it anyway... But they cannot get into a fight with email....they are all big dudes in their 50's daughter in 40's...Hey are you still having to milk out Elle may? I think of her often LOL
Yes, the Rev. Billy Graham is being vilified and jumped all over for removing Mormons from his ministry’s cult list. I read some horrible statements directed at the Rev. Billy Graham. They are questioning his spiritual judgment - like you are doing. Yet Billy Graham is revered all over the world as one of the greatest evangelists and preachers of all time. It’s interesting how disappointed the anti Mormons/anti MormonISMs are over this. Very telling.
Ah ha! Reaganaut admits that this is his “ministry” - degrading and defaming The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. That’s why there’s so much anti Mormon/anti MormonISM junk on this site. Day after day after day after day. They are afraid to lose their livelihood. Big business going after the Mormons.
Anyway, the fact remains that Jesus Christ suffered and died to save me from my sins. Amen.
Squirm away. You can rant and rave and print and type and sell your books and DVDs but it mattereth not. Jesus Christ is the Lord and I love Him.
But cheer up, maybe you can get me banned/zotted again and then you won’t have to be tortured and tormented by my love for the Savior Jesus Christ.
Sandy the ENTIRE LIST was removed, not just Mormons and The BGEA STILL ASSERTS THAT MORMONS ARE A CULT.
So, your claim doesn’t hold water and makes you guilty of bearing false witness.
. Day after day after day after day. They are afraid to lose their livelihood. Big business going after the Mormons.
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I never denied it was my ministry. It is to warn others of the dangers of Mormonism and to speak the truth and counter the lies the LDS church teaches. No ‘ah ha’ there, Sandy.
You are bearing false witness against me Sandy. I don’t make ANY money in my ministry, I don’t ask for any, I don’t want any. I PAY MY OWN WAY for my ministry. No livelyhood at all, and every other ministry to Mormons doesn’t get rich off of it, most barely scrape by. I don’t sell books or DVDs and again most ministries sell them AT COST not to make a profit.
Contrast to the hundreds of thousands the LDS leaders get every year from the LDS church and members buying their books, Christians put the money back into the ministry.
We do this for love of Christ. No one gets rich from it. You are just spreading lies you hear at church and don’t bother to research.
You follow a false Christ who cannot save you, Sandy. The LDS church is “Lord” to its members - not Jesus.
That's nice SD - have you truly repented of those sins yet.
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