Posted on 11/10/2012 7:59:09 AM PST by Colofornian
MessageToEagle.com - Normally, as a matter of personal preference I don’t get into politics, but when we have a presidential campaign that begins to cross over into the strange twilight zone of religious weirdness that centers on the one person who’s going to control the most powerful government and army on the face of the earth, well, it brings up some unusual scenarios to wonder about.
It is being reported in the media today that former presidential candidate Mitt Romney only wrote a victory speech for Election Day; presumably a harried, last minute scramble to revise his speech was being suggested as the reason behind the Romney-Ryan campaigns’ sluggish reluctance to concede their party’s unthinkable defeat.
Electoral Votes:
Barack Obama: 303 Mitt Romney: 206
Curiously, one has to wonder whether it was Romney’s obsession with polls and tracking data that lead to this overextension of hubris; his unshakable faith that he would be the next president of the United States—or could it have been Romney’s Mormon faith itself that lead him to believe victory was all but assured by some divine mandate?
Ascending to the office of the presidency has always been a coveted part of the mission of the Mormon Church, which began with its founder Joseph Smith, who as a young man experienced a close encounter with a being from another planet named Moroni, who descended from the heavens and instructed Smith to found a new religion (as seen on History Channel’s Ancient Aliens, S3E01)—today, in Ufology, such a happenstance would likely be classified as a contactee CE5 level event.
“I saw a pillar of light . . . which descended gradually until it fell upon me” – Joseph Smith.
In 1844 Joseph Smith, an apparent UFO contactee and the founder of the Mormon Church, brazenly launched his own political campaign for President of the United States. His stated goal was to overthrow the U.S. Constitution, and bring about a Mormon theocracy to the Nation.
Smith’s candidacy was always long shot, but that didn’t stop him from rallying his people to help clinch his destiny to be an independent commander in chief of the “army of God”.
Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not bow to his demands that “they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them.” He foresaw the emergence of “the one Mighty and Strong”—a leader who would “set in order the house of God”.
Smith’s call for a “theodemocracy where God and his people hold the power to conduct the affairs of men in righteous matters” evidently did not sit well with the majority of voters in the United States, and brought down a lot of bad press and hostility upon the Mormons. Smith’s presidential campaign was cut short while he was sitting in jail facing charges of treason and inciting a riot; an angry mob broke into the jailhouse and brought him to justice by shooting him to death.
Out of this early chapter of U.S. history developed what has became known in the Mormon Church as the “White Horse Prophecy”—a controversial prediction that someday a great Mormon leader, who, at a time when the U.S. Constitution “hangs like a thread as fine as a silk fiber”, would be elected President.
I know a little bit about Mormonism and their beliefs. I grew up and lived in Salt Lake City most all my life, I sat through many days of LDS seminary at public schools, and I also attended a private Mormon school as a teenager.
My family has roots in the Mormon pioneer heritage and early history. My ancestors, the Neff’s, came to the Salt Lake Valley in 1847, from Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. My great-great-great-grandfather John Neff, Sr. settled Neff’s canyon in East Millcreek, Utah. He was also a close friend of Brigham Young and accompanied him into Northern Utah to proselyte amongst the Native Americans there. His daughter, Mary Ann Neff, married the notorious Mormon gunslinger and Utah folkhero Orrin Porter Rockwell.
Orrin Porter Rockwell was one scary-looking son of a bitch . . .
Rockwell served as a loyal henchman to Church founders Joseph Smith Jr. and Brigham Young—and was affectionately nick-named ‘Ol’ Port’ the ‘Destroying Angel of Mormondom’.
In his despicable and sordid history, Ol’ Port was intimately connected to political assassinations, revenge-killings, and gruesome Indian massacres. He’s praised for having avenged the Prophet Joseph Smith’s murder by shooting one of the conspirators with his musket while riding astride a horse.
There have been a few failed attempts in various movies and books to elevate the psychopath to the status of a gritty American hero of the old west —fortunately, none of them have really stuck.
A few of the many curious tenants of Mormonism I heard growing up in Salt Lake City were as follows . . .
*Cain, the killer of his brother Abel, is alive and wanders the earth, wearing no clothing but being covered by hair, and that LDS Church apostle David W. Patten encountered him once; and that reported sightings of Bigfoot can be explained by this story.
*Blacks were neutral in the War in Heaven, and that is why they were not allowed to hold the Mormon priesthood before 1978.
*Albert Einstein supposedly once said that LDS Church apostle James E. Talmage was the smartest man he had ever met.
*The Second Coming was imminent, and when I was age 25 I would be living in the “Last Days” (I’m in my 40’s now).
And here’s where Mitt Romney’s presidential candidacy enters the picture—
I remember my 7th grade LDS seminary teacher sermonizing about the “signs” of the ‘Last Days’.
One of his favorite ‘signs’ that he liked to talk about was that a great Mormon leader would be elected President of the United States, and this would be a major indication that the Last Days were imminent, e.g. the White Horse Prophecy.
Some say that the White Horse Prophecy was written by Joseph Smith himself, while others dispute that claim. According to the Salt Lake City Tribune:
The disputed prophecy was recorded in a diary entry of a Mormon who had heard the tale from two men who were with Joseph Smith in Nauvoo, Ill. when he supposedly declared the prophecy. “You will see the Constitution of the United States almost destroyed,” the diary entry quotes Smith as saying. “It will hang like a thread as fine as a silk fiber.”
Not only will the Mormons save the Constitution, under the prediction, but the prophecy goes further, insinuating that Mormons will control the government.
“Power will be given to the White Horse to rebuke the nations afar off, and you obey it, for the laws go forth from Zion,” the prophecy says.
Publicly, the Mormon Church doesn’t officially endorse the ‘White Horse Prophecy’ as doctrine, and will deny anything to do with it (just as Romney has whenever it’s been brought up)—however, there’s a telling piece of Mormon dogma that people may find disturbing. It was set in place by Joseph Smith himself, and is referred to as “lying for the Lord.”
As an act of self preservation or to protect the Mormon Church, it is doctrinally permissive to lie about your beliefs or intentions. In other words the ends justify the means. Smith did it with regard to his polygamous lifestyle. Brigham Young did it when he claimed that only Paiute Indians were responsible for the Mountain Meadows Massacre.
Over and over again, Mitt Romney marginalized his devout Mormon background, and downplayed its significance throughout his entire campaign. But in the 1970’s the ‘Cougar Club’ at Brigham Young University declared their admiration of Mitt and predicted that he’d be the president of the United States one day. According to an article on Salon.com:
…the Cougar Club — the all male, all white social club at Brigham Young University in Salt Lake City (blacks were excluded from full membership in the Mormon church until 1978) — was humming with talk that its president, Mitt Romney, would become the first Mormon president of the United States. “If not Mitt, then who?” was the ubiquitous slogan within the elite organization. The pious world of BYU was expected to spawn the man who would lead the Mormons into the White House and fulfill the prophecies of the church’s founder, Joseph Smith Jr., which Romney has avidly sought to realize.
With all this in mind, it’s hard not to look back and wonder . . .
Could Mitt Romney have been intending to run the United States as a Mormon theocratic state, as fortold by his Church’s prophet Joseph Smith?
Would a President Romney have executed the will of the people of the United States, and answered to the people—or would he only answer to God via the hierarchy of the Mormon Church?
What if a “revelation” or “vision” was received by the current President of the LDS Church (or Prophet), and passed on to ‘President Romney’ as a directive from God?–would Romney have executed that directive, even if it had gone against the will of the U.S. people, or the World?
Thankfully, this is probably one mystery we’ll never know the answer to . . .
Written by Dustin Naef - MessageToEagle.com Contributor
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Hi, Dave - It does no good to argue with the anti Mormons/anti MormonISM folk on this site. Their tactics are designed to dog-pile pick pick pick and employ silly boyish arguments that have no basis in truth or even logic. But they are legion here on this site. Actually there are only a few but they have nothing better to do in life, apparently, than hang around FR day and night spreading their venomous ignorant ill-conceived thoughts. They seem more powerful than they really are - it’s just that they are persistant to the point of being obsessive compulsive.
I was banned from this site for about a year because I am a Mormon and/or because I supported Mitt. And I was one of the original FReepers - since 1998, having freeped along side Jim Robinson himself many many times. I have been in his car, in his house, and considered him a dear friend. But this obsession with hating Mormons and hating Romney have been his undoing. This site has gone to the dogs.
Cheer up, Elsie, maybe you can get me banned again for saying what is in my heart.
Hi, Dave - It does no good to argue with the anti Mormons/anti MormonISM folk on this site. Their tactics are designed to dog-pile pick pick pick and employ silly boyish arguments that have no basis in truth or even logic. But they are legion here on this site. Actually there are only a few but they have nothing better to do in life, apparently, than hang around FR day and night spreading their venomous ignorant ill-conceived thoughts. They seem more powerful than they really are - it’s just that they are persistant to the point of being obsessive compulsive.
I was banned from this site for about a year because I am a Mormon and/or because I supported Mitt. And I was one of the original FReepers - since 1998, having freeped along side Jim Robinson himself many many times. I have been in his car, in his house, and considered him a dear friend. But this obsession with hating Mormons and hating Romney have been his undoing. This site has gone to the dogs.
Cheer up, Elsie, maybe you can get me banned again for saying what is in my heart.
I was raised in the Southern Baptist Church and I was raised to fear and loathe Mormons. It was all a pack of lies. And Satan is the father of all lies.
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Its still a pack of lies...
The Baptists told you the truth...
you were fortunate that someone cared enough to warn you...
too bad you didnt listen...
Rebellion will do that to you...
Are you making God into your image or are you conforming to his image? The Bible is very clear on who God is and what he requires from his people.
Galatians 1:6-9
Mormonism is full of anti-Christianity...
and I didnt need the Internet to know that...
One cannot have two masters. You either believe in Jesus Christ, or you believe in Joseph Smith. As long as you keep trying to put your phariseeical leaven into our bread we will meet you head on.
The fact that you avoid the question is proof you have both shame and a lack of knowledge about the JST. you probably suspsect that what you have been taught by "THE CHURCH" does not match what Smith "retranslated" in his bible.
Young taught Adam was God....So guess what that makes Cain...Is that Cain is Satan. Is that what you were looking for Saundra ? I'll give you the standard opportunity to deny these things before I post referenced quotes from FLDS/LDS published books for all to see.
The foundation of mormonism is cracked beyond repair at it's very foundation....The second FLDS/LDS "Prophet" claimed the first had commited a fraud on the members, with the JST bible.....which replaced the KJV which the "gods" in the first vision claimed was the reason for their coming !
A wise man builds his house upon the rock of Jesus Christ, not the sand of 115 different sects of mormonism.
The Rev. Billy Graham has even been condemned on this site
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yeah till 2 weeks ago he was bad mouthed something awful by the Mormons...
Praise God for opening your eyes to see the truth of the gospel and rescuing you.
It says God, not Jesus. I’m planning a post on the main site that will contain Scripture in it and I know I’ll get flack for it because of the behavior of some childish bozos that will remain nameless. I worship Jesus Christ myself but realize not everyone does. The RF has become a playpen to keep the non-sense off the rest of the site.
Sandy see post 453 where it was explained that you stated you wanted out...you were NOT banned for being a mormon.
Now that the truth is out about this, will you retract your claim?
Well, that seals the deal.
it says pro-GOD - as we understand Him
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actually it doesnt Davy...
Youre confusing FR with your AA meetings where you say “a higher power as we understand him” meaning whatever my personal idea about a god might be...
There is only One God repesented in FR thats the God of the Christian Bible...
Jews and Christians both Catholics and Protestants are included in that belief in God...
Have a source of JR saying that or should we ping him?
...and... no Jew I ever knew accepted the Holy Bible... they don’t worship with it... nothing.
When I bring up FLDS/LDS "Prophet" Joseph Smith's retranslation of the bible which her sect doesn't use, after seeing you and I conversing, she jumps right on you and tells you to ignore us. She is trying to keep you from the truth by accusing folks like me of "hate" and "bigotry".
INGORE THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN, NOTHING BUT UNHELPFUL HISTORY BACK THERE.
I don't think Facebook numbers count in the area of what is a Biblical Christian church....however, there are 45,000 likes for the FSM church.
This is the type of double-brained thinking we get from Mormons like Saundra.
She's indecisive even within a phrase of 13 words! What are we, Sandy? Legion? Or just a few?
Other examples:
* Saundra AWOLed from her Christian past and bounced to Mormonism...more indecisiveness...
* She has indicated she'd like to "get along" with Christians, but her religion tells us that Mormonism is the "only true & living church on the face of the earth" (D&C 1:30)...hence, she comes across as ambivalent about that, too...Apparently, she'd like to take her "scriptures" (like that one) at face value, but then if she did, she'd have to concede that she thinks the rest of the churches are false & dead. And that's not a "value" that contributes to genuine ecumenicalism, now is it?
* It seems like she wants to "get along" with Christians, but her religion tells us that Mormonism deems all Christians as "apostates." Hence, she seems ambivalent about that, too...She'd like to take her leaders' assessments (like that one) at face value, but then, if she did, she knows she'd be no better than the Muslims who accuse Christians of being all "infidels."
* It seems like she wants to "get along" with Christians, but her religion (First Vision, Joseph Smith History, Pearl of Great Price, vv. 18-20) tells us that Smith deemed 100% of Christians from Christian sects as "corrupt"...She'd like to take Smith at his "first vision" word, but then, if she did, she knows that places Mormons in the accusation business of labeling all Christian sect representatives as "corrupt" -- and that all of us embrace creeds that Smith deemed 100% an "abomination."
* Saundra thinks a LOT of Billy Graham, especially now that his Web site removed Mormonism as a cult...But if she's always thought so highly of Billy, then she also must have respected what he had FOR YEARS on his site: That Mormonism was a cult! (Billy only removed it for political expedience in October; and now that Mitt has flamed out, we might get it back on his site again!)
So, Saundra, I'd guess that you respected Billy Graham well before October 2012...So that must have included his long-standing opinions of Mormonism. Right? Or are you ambivalent on that, too?
Facebook Page - almost 35,000 likes
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and yet God took about 35,000 and cut them way down to 300...
thats the kind of likes God uses...
Practice what you preach, buddy.
Well, who created sinful man?
Did God create a sinful man named Adam?
Well, obviously He created Adam...but did He create him as sinful? (Obviously not)
Likewise, who created Lucifer ... the luminous one?
God did. Jesus did. The Holy Spirit did.
But did He create him as "Satan"? Obviously, "Satan" is a "degeneration" of the original creative act of God.
How do we know Jesus created Lucifer?
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
In several other verses, like Ephesians 6, thrones, dominions, and principalities and powers reference fallen angelic beings...And Paul says that Jesus created "all" of them!
Are you more authoritative Saundra than the apostle Paul?
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