Posted on 11/10/2012 7:59:09 AM PST by Colofornian
MessageToEagle.com - Normally, as a matter of personal preference I don’t get into politics, but when we have a presidential campaign that begins to cross over into the strange twilight zone of religious weirdness that centers on the one person who’s going to control the most powerful government and army on the face of the earth, well, it brings up some unusual scenarios to wonder about.
It is being reported in the media today that former presidential candidate Mitt Romney only wrote a victory speech for Election Day; presumably a harried, last minute scramble to revise his speech was being suggested as the reason behind the Romney-Ryan campaigns’ sluggish reluctance to concede their party’s unthinkable defeat.
Electoral Votes:
Barack Obama: 303 Mitt Romney: 206
Curiously, one has to wonder whether it was Romney’s obsession with polls and tracking data that lead to this overextension of hubris; his unshakable faith that he would be the next president of the United States—or could it have been Romney’s Mormon faith itself that lead him to believe victory was all but assured by some divine mandate?
Ascending to the office of the presidency has always been a coveted part of the mission of the Mormon Church, which began with its founder Joseph Smith, who as a young man experienced a close encounter with a being from another planet named Moroni, who descended from the heavens and instructed Smith to found a new religion (as seen on History Channel’s Ancient Aliens, S3E01)—today, in Ufology, such a happenstance would likely be classified as a contactee CE5 level event.
“I saw a pillar of light . . . which descended gradually until it fell upon me” – Joseph Smith.
In 1844 Joseph Smith, an apparent UFO contactee and the founder of the Mormon Church, brazenly launched his own political campaign for President of the United States. His stated goal was to overthrow the U.S. Constitution, and bring about a Mormon theocracy to the Nation.
Smith’s candidacy was always long shot, but that didn’t stop him from rallying his people to help clinch his destiny to be an independent commander in chief of the “army of God”.
Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not bow to his demands that “they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them.” He foresaw the emergence of “the one Mighty and Strong”—a leader who would “set in order the house of God”.
Smith’s call for a “theodemocracy where God and his people hold the power to conduct the affairs of men in righteous matters” evidently did not sit well with the majority of voters in the United States, and brought down a lot of bad press and hostility upon the Mormons. Smith’s presidential campaign was cut short while he was sitting in jail facing charges of treason and inciting a riot; an angry mob broke into the jailhouse and brought him to justice by shooting him to death.
Out of this early chapter of U.S. history developed what has became known in the Mormon Church as the “White Horse Prophecy”—a controversial prediction that someday a great Mormon leader, who, at a time when the U.S. Constitution “hangs like a thread as fine as a silk fiber”, would be elected President.
I know a little bit about Mormonism and their beliefs. I grew up and lived in Salt Lake City most all my life, I sat through many days of LDS seminary at public schools, and I also attended a private Mormon school as a teenager.
My family has roots in the Mormon pioneer heritage and early history. My ancestors, the Neff’s, came to the Salt Lake Valley in 1847, from Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. My great-great-great-grandfather John Neff, Sr. settled Neff’s canyon in East Millcreek, Utah. He was also a close friend of Brigham Young and accompanied him into Northern Utah to proselyte amongst the Native Americans there. His daughter, Mary Ann Neff, married the notorious Mormon gunslinger and Utah folkhero Orrin Porter Rockwell.
Orrin Porter Rockwell was one scary-looking son of a bitch . . .
Rockwell served as a loyal henchman to Church founders Joseph Smith Jr. and Brigham Young—and was affectionately nick-named ‘Ol’ Port’ the ‘Destroying Angel of Mormondom’.
In his despicable and sordid history, Ol’ Port was intimately connected to political assassinations, revenge-killings, and gruesome Indian massacres. He’s praised for having avenged the Prophet Joseph Smith’s murder by shooting one of the conspirators with his musket while riding astride a horse.
There have been a few failed attempts in various movies and books to elevate the psychopath to the status of a gritty American hero of the old west —fortunately, none of them have really stuck.
A few of the many curious tenants of Mormonism I heard growing up in Salt Lake City were as follows . . .
*Cain, the killer of his brother Abel, is alive and wanders the earth, wearing no clothing but being covered by hair, and that LDS Church apostle David W. Patten encountered him once; and that reported sightings of Bigfoot can be explained by this story.
*Blacks were neutral in the War in Heaven, and that is why they were not allowed to hold the Mormon priesthood before 1978.
*Albert Einstein supposedly once said that LDS Church apostle James E. Talmage was the smartest man he had ever met.
*The Second Coming was imminent, and when I was age 25 I would be living in the “Last Days” (I’m in my 40’s now).
And here’s where Mitt Romney’s presidential candidacy enters the picture—
I remember my 7th grade LDS seminary teacher sermonizing about the “signs” of the ‘Last Days’.
One of his favorite ‘signs’ that he liked to talk about was that a great Mormon leader would be elected President of the United States, and this would be a major indication that the Last Days were imminent, e.g. the White Horse Prophecy.
Some say that the White Horse Prophecy was written by Joseph Smith himself, while others dispute that claim. According to the Salt Lake City Tribune:
The disputed prophecy was recorded in a diary entry of a Mormon who had heard the tale from two men who were with Joseph Smith in Nauvoo, Ill. when he supposedly declared the prophecy. “You will see the Constitution of the United States almost destroyed,” the diary entry quotes Smith as saying. “It will hang like a thread as fine as a silk fiber.”
Not only will the Mormons save the Constitution, under the prediction, but the prophecy goes further, insinuating that Mormons will control the government.
“Power will be given to the White Horse to rebuke the nations afar off, and you obey it, for the laws go forth from Zion,” the prophecy says.
Publicly, the Mormon Church doesn’t officially endorse the ‘White Horse Prophecy’ as doctrine, and will deny anything to do with it (just as Romney has whenever it’s been brought up)—however, there’s a telling piece of Mormon dogma that people may find disturbing. It was set in place by Joseph Smith himself, and is referred to as “lying for the Lord.”
As an act of self preservation or to protect the Mormon Church, it is doctrinally permissive to lie about your beliefs or intentions. In other words the ends justify the means. Smith did it with regard to his polygamous lifestyle. Brigham Young did it when he claimed that only Paiute Indians were responsible for the Mountain Meadows Massacre.
Over and over again, Mitt Romney marginalized his devout Mormon background, and downplayed its significance throughout his entire campaign. But in the 1970’s the ‘Cougar Club’ at Brigham Young University declared their admiration of Mitt and predicted that he’d be the president of the United States one day. According to an article on Salon.com:
…the Cougar Club — the all male, all white social club at Brigham Young University in Salt Lake City (blacks were excluded from full membership in the Mormon church until 1978) — was humming with talk that its president, Mitt Romney, would become the first Mormon president of the United States. “If not Mitt, then who?” was the ubiquitous slogan within the elite organization. The pious world of BYU was expected to spawn the man who would lead the Mormons into the White House and fulfill the prophecies of the church’s founder, Joseph Smith Jr., which Romney has avidly sought to realize.
With all this in mind, it’s hard not to look back and wonder . . .
Could Mitt Romney have been intending to run the United States as a Mormon theocratic state, as fortold by his Church’s prophet Joseph Smith?
Would a President Romney have executed the will of the people of the United States, and answered to the people—or would he only answer to God via the hierarchy of the Mormon Church?
What if a “revelation” or “vision” was received by the current President of the LDS Church (or Prophet), and passed on to ‘President Romney’ as a directive from God?–would Romney have executed that directive, even if it had gone against the will of the U.S. people, or the World?
Thankfully, this is probably one mystery we’ll never know the answer to . . .
Written by Dustin Naef - MessageToEagle.com Contributor
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Nice try. You guys tried to tie Mitt to the so called “prophesy” that never was. Way to sow seeds that helped Obama win, you should be so proud.
This entire WHP thing has been debunked, and was strongly done so nearly a hundred years ago in General Conference no less.
What the WHP borrowed from was a truth that has yet to happen.
And as Ezra Taft Benson, President of the LDS Church explained so very clearly, the Constitution WON”T BE SAVED IN WASHINGTON.
The constitution hanging by a thread has yet to happen. If you don’t believe it, then you’re not opening your eyes to the Obamanation.
Here’s what an LDS President actually said a few years ago:
“I have faith that the Constitution will be saved as prophesied by Joseph Smith. BUT IT WILL NOT BE SAVED IN WASHINGTON. It will be saved by the citizens of this nation who love and cherish freedom. It will be saved by enlightened members of this Church—men and women who will subscribe to and abide by the principles of the Constitution.”
http://speeches.byu.edu/?act=viewitem&id=87
You have it seems to be but one purpose here, to sew discord among patriots. Those who love freedom, as was attested to by the change in FR over the last few months will ignore your tripe, I can only hope.
Mormons did not fail. America failed and will suffer their stupidity. The real fall is near and will make Spain’s troubles look like nothing compared to our future.
Romney underestimated the depth of evil that he was up against. In none of his projections of the battleground states, did he assume Obama and his drones would sink to such levels of voter fraud. Having just escaped Kalifornia earlier this year, voter fraud is how the corrupt government of the state of California, took over the state. It is out of control in Kalifornia. The only way Romney could have overcome the fraud, was to embrace the Chick-Fil-A electorate.
(Hey, this Naef character is a descendent from the Lds Pioneer Neff clan...who married into the Lds Porter Rockwell family...Rockwell being the body guard for both Joseph Smith and Brigham Young...Rockwell was pretty nutty as a paid Mormon assassin...so, of course, you'd expect some of that kind of nutty Mormon influence to rub off on people with extended family ties like that growing up in the Salt Lake City area -- people like Naef who was attending Mormon seminary classes...All that this Naef character was doing in this article was recounting what Mormons were teaching him in Utah...)
But let me guess: Here Mitt Romney firmly believed that he was "born" as a spirit on a planet near the star Kolob, and sent to this world to inhabit a body...and my accurate guess would be that you said nothing about that during Romney's run for Presidency.
How hypocritical of you: Naef's an occultic nobody, a spin-off from Mormonism's tall tales to other tall tales, and he gets your assessment here...but Romney's a famous would-be leader of the Free World...and you probably managed to overlook his supposed Kolobian "spirit birth," eh?
Why, if you said nothing about Romney's supposed "past," how convenient of you to suppress that.
So, how long have you had this problem of selective truth-telling? [Or perhaps, I'm off-base and you can show us all your FR references to Romney's Kolobian "past"]
Ping to #25
Sounds an awful lot like the Muslim doctrine of taqiyya. It's OK to lie to infidels to protect the Muslim faith.
America will survive. It’s just that it will now be known as the U.S.S.A.
Me, also!
I had nothing more than a vague picture of Joseph Smith, Bringem Young and all the women they exploited.
I plead more ignorant than you, I just thought of Donnie & Marie! That was my extend of Mormonism.
So, I joined you in thanking Colofornian for all the work and putting up with all the hate when enlightening us. As well as the other exMormons who were trashed while posting info on it.
I always wondered if this topic would come up. So much for the Mormon church riding in at the last minute to save the day huh?
Maybe God already intervened with Hurricane Sandy.
As upset that I was about 0zero being re-elected, I felt a calm because I think God had intervened, so what happens now is in God’s hands and I am fine with that.
I believe obama stole this election, no doubt about it.
“The thief comes only to STEAL and KILL and DESTROY; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.” John 10:10
God did hear our prayers. However, He didn’t do it how I wanted and thought HE would. I liked my way of kicking the destroyer to the curb. But...
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways My ways,” declares the LORD. Is 55:8
God’s way are always bigger and His will is more perfect than ours.
Speaking of sowing "discord among patriots", there are 52,000 mormon missionaries (soon to be many more) going about the country "sowing discord" by claiming to Christians that their Christian faith is bogus and that the only way to salvation is through arcane rituals in a mormon temple.
Those who love freedom, was attested to by the change in FR over the last few monthsl ignore your tripe, I can only hope.
As far as the "change in FR", I haven't seen Jim Robinson refute this post he made on 8/21/2012:
At least two moderators resigned this afternoon after I flatly refused to rein in a so-called anti-Mormon "bigot" on FR. Well, if being in opposition to false prophets and false prophecy makes a Christian believer a bigot, then I guess I'm a bigot. I've posted before that I flat do not believe that the Book of Mormon is the true word of God. Nor do I believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. The Christian bible warns us to be weary of false prophets and that I am. Romney being the presumptive Republican nominee does not change that fact.
If indeed, JR has refuted this statement, please provide the source stating so. He has stated his support for Romney, but I have not seen any indication that he has changed his stance on mormonism, and to my knowledge NONE of the so-called "anti-mormon" FReepers have been banned for their rebuttal on FR of mormon proselytizing.
Your comment labeling "Those who love freedom" as Romney supporters only, is about as convincing as the claim that Joseph Smith "restored" the true Gospel to the world which is total "tripe".
This election has just proven that Joseph Smith again made a false prophecy.
How many excuse will we hear about on how Obama won? Except the real one, he stole it! Did you really think the destroyer would go away that easily? He was from the beginning of time. You should apologize to Colofornian but...
AMEN!
Now we need to pray for a revival in this country. Nothing like a little adversity to get people's attention and turn them to God.
Debunked by whom?
Certainly not by my mormon family, who go all the at back to Smith and Young.
This alleged debunking is a new mantra by LDS.
Too soon, Colofornian. People are still mad.
Rip, I appreciate your comments...glad you feel free to chip in here.
But if I could look you in the eye, and ask you, if religious legalism is "freeing," what might your response be?
Lds leaders impose law after law after law upon Mormons -- who must obey in order to be deemed "worthy"...
(1) You HAVE TO be obedient to all the commandments & ordinances of the Mormon god
(2) You HAVE TO tithe -- what Lds reference as the "Law of consecration"
(3) You HAVE TO obey the "Word of Wisdom" -- not drink coffee, etc.
(4) You HAVE TO follow the law of eternal marriage...get married -- sorry, no never-married single people allowed
(5) You HAVE TO have as many children as possible
(6) You HAVE TO perform temple work for the dead
(7) You HAVE TO perform endowments essential for this highest degree of salvation
(8) You HAVE TO be a member of the right church (Lds)
(9) You HAVE TO receive & perform the rites and ordinances established by that church
(10) You HAVE TO follow the 'prophet'
(11) You HAVE TO observe the law of the fast
(12) You HAVE TO -- as if it wasn't a "want to" -- "pray often"
(13) Instead of treating repentance as a God-given gift, you HAVE TO treat it as a "law" -- and if you commit the same sin over again, it nullifies any previous "repentance" you did regarding that sin, treating it as if you never repented
(14)You HAVE TO have Joseph Smith's consent to enter into your highest afterlife
And then, of course, there's the obvious Biblical laws (10 commandments) -- which the apostle Paul warned didn't lead to receiving the Spirit:
1 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh? 4 Have you experienced so much in vain—if it really was in vain? 5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard? 6 So also Abraham “believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”
10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is EVERYONE who does not continue to do EVERYTHING written in the Book of the Law.” (Gal. 3:1-6, 10)
Bottom line: The LDS are the "rules oriented" ones: The purity and perfection we seek is unattainable without this subjection of unworthy, ungodlike urges and the corresponding encouragement of their opposites. We certainly cannot expect the rules to be easier for us than for the Son of God... (Lds "prophet" Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, p. 28)
Just look @ all the "rule extensions" Lds have imposed upon their followers in order to make it to the highest degree of afterlife...That is 19th-20th-21st century legalism!
In contrast, God's truth is "the concept of free and full forgiveness through Christ" rather than the "earned forgiveness taught in Mormonism."
Well, thanks for the feedback.
Truth was truth pre-election; truth was truth election day; truth is still truth post-election.
But I know you speak on behalf of others, so thanks, again, for your input.
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