One half will believe... follow the False Prophet, the Pope who will follow Pope Benedict XVI

TheWarningSecondComing.com ^

[stpio]

Maybe this is the "May 31st" that the 5th Marian Dogma will be proclaimed? We'll see. Pray for the Holy Father.

Remember, co-...means with.

http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/

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message to Maria of Divine Mercy (Ireland))

Virgin Mary: The time for me to crush the serpent is drawing nearer

Friday, April 13th, 2012 @ 05:57 pm

I am your beloved Mother, Queen of the Earth. I am the Immaculate Conception, the Virgin Mary, Mother of Jesus who came in the flesh.

My child, the time for the triumph of My Immaculate Heart is close.

The time for me to crush the serpent is drawing nearer. But until the day when Satan and his demons are cast into the wilderness, much confusion will erupt on earth.

For believers in my Son, it will be a time of torment. They will be pulled into two different directions by the Catholic Church.

One half will believe, out of duty, the need to follow the False Prophet, the Pope who will follow Pope Benedict XVI

He, the beast, is dressed like a lamb but is not from my Father, God the Most High, and will fool poor souls including priests, bishops and cardinals.

Many will follow him and believe him to be sent by God to rule over His Church on earth.

Sadly, many souls will follow his teachings which will be insulting to My Father.

Others, filled with the Holy Spirit and given the graces of discernment because of their humble souls, will know instantly, that an imposter sits in the Church in Rome.

The new FALSE pope is already scheming, even before he ascends to the throne of the Seat of Peter, to denounce the teachings of my Son. Then he will denounce me, the Blessed Mother of God, and ridicule my role as Co-Redemptrix.

My child, your role is going to become even harder than before. For many of my children are very confused. The insults you face every day, the torments you endure on behalf of my Son, will increase.

Never be afraid to tell the world [u]the truth[/u] my child.

You are being made stronger as a result of the physical and mental suffering you accept on behalf of my Son in order to save souls.

Every effort, especially by one division in the Catholic Church, will be made to dismiss my messages given to you.

Your obedience and loyalty to me and my beloved Son will be tested as never before. This may lead you to pull away but, should this happen, it will not last long.

Pray, my child, for all of God’s children who, through no fault of their own, are being pulled into the final battle for souls.

All of this must come to pass for it is contained in my Father’s Book.

All the angels in Heaven protect you, my child, in this somewhat lonely mission.

Always remember how important prayer is.

Pray, pray, pray for without prayer, especially the recital of my Holy Rosary, Satan can pull you away from the Holy Word of my Precious Son.

Remember also the importance of fasting for it keeps the deceiver at bay.

Without regular prayer, my children, will find it hard to remain close to my Son.

Never fear the future children for once you remain close to my Son you will be protected

And given the necessary graces to prepare your souls and those of your families for the New Era of Peace foretold so long ago.

Your beloved Mother

Queen of the Earth

Mother of Salvation

[Dr. Sivana]

Do you see...how can the messages from Heaven help us if we have to wait for their approval?

That kind of thinking sort of does away with the need for approval altogether. You can believe in an unapproved message without approval of the local bishop (why else would you seek approval unless you believed it?), but it ought not be propagated until there is approval. Certainly, they should not be labeled visions or apparitions without a serious qualifier, such as "purported" or "claimed".

In many cases the local bishop can act and act relatively quickly. Purported apparitions at Necedah (Lacrosse diocese?), Bayside (Brooklyn diocese) and Medjugorje (Mostar diocese) were disapproved in short order, yet the promotion continued. Others, such as Cuapa, Nicaragua and Akita, Japan were approved in a reasonable amount of time.

We are also to reject that purported private revelation which goes against church teaching. A claim that a validly elected pope (as opposed to an anti-pope from a false election) could be the Man of Sin does go against the promise Our Lord gave to St. Peter.

LaSalette, Fatima and Akita have plenty of dire messages of warning, and follow Church teaching. In any event, we need NONE of this private revelation for salvation. Love God; Love your neighbor; obey God's laws. Be baptized. Confess your sins. Receive Our Lord worthily. These are what we need.

[jdsteel]

Wow. Nothing comes to mind as much as the centuries old debate of how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

[Salvation]

The website quotes Garabandal which has NOT been approved by the Vatican. Very interesting place, but not an approved apparition site.

[the invisib1e hand]

So, thanks for insulting me and then forcing me to look it up so I learned the whole story when I was going to be content to just hear the RC version!

This is a bizarre remark -- but whatever. I thought the link provided by Campion was pretty concise.

Here's something for you to ponder: The Lord said to Abraham, "I will make you a great nation..." Well, not exactly: "The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ."

Thus, you see, Abraham and "his seed" are one. In fact, Paul is arguing here that the Lord made the promise to Christ, even though he said it, literally, to Abraham. Abraham and his seed are one, just as Mary and her seed are one.

The links on this thread show it both ways: "She will crush his head" and "He [her offspring or seed]will crush his head"

You're arguing about the difference between an a flower and a bud, straining out the gnat and swallowing the camel.

You might as well face it, for it is a biological fact: No Mary, no Jesus.

[Talisker]

Wow. Nothing comes to mind as much as the centuries old debate of how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

Why do you think I broke out the popcorn? I saw it coming : )

[smvoice]

Where to begin, Dutch... This is LITERALLY beginning AT THE BEGINNING. We haven't even gotten past Genesis Chapter 3 before the deceit begins. Looks like no one in the RCC decided to read their Bibles for Lent.

So, what is Lent for anyway? To give up something in order to please God? Really, I'm curious. Give up the Oreos and His Word of Truth sits there, gathering dust. The ONLY thing that will EVER please God, His Son, His Word, and once again, it is turned into a lie. But hey, going 40 days without Oreos and milk should make Him happy. Yeah, it's CLOSE to His FINISHED WORK ON OUR BEHALF.

"The woman shall crush his head." Riiiiiggggghhhttt..

[Bryanw92]

>>I thought the link provided by Campion was pretty concise.

It was. Campion was very helpful.

>>You might as well face it, for it is a biological fact: No Mary, no Jesus.

True. Also true: No Mom, no me. But, my boss doesn’t send my paycheck to my mother.

[stpio]

“That kind of thinking sort of does away with the need for approval altogether. You can believe in an unapproved message without approval of the local bishop (why else would you seek approval unless you believed it?), but it ought not be propagated until there is approval. Certainly, they should not be labeled visions or apparitions without a serious qualifier, such as “purported” or “claimed”.

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Hi Doctor,

Not true, if you are saying until a private revelation gains approval, we are not allowed to believe a private revelation.

Catholics who are interested in the prophetic, know which has “approval” and which is yet to be “approved” and that is most of the current messages from Heaven. You can’t keep what Heaven is saying away from people until “approval” comes.

Heaven can’t wait that long. The smoke of Satan has
infiltrated the Vatican per Pope Paul VI. This fact and pride, “some” of the local bishops and Vatican hierarchy are biased. Yes. The messages from Heaven say it.

We need Heaven’s help now. You mentioned the recent “approved” Wisconsin apparition. Is it 10 years for approval, what is the time period that it took to be approved?

And speak of Medjugorje. The Vatican took over it’s investigation so it has not been decided yet. Look at the fruit, the miracles of Medjugorje.

[RBStealth]

Hey StPio, I doubt that you know how to discern apparition messages very well. But there is alot of error in TheWarningSecondComing.com

For one, last year either ‘Jesus’ or ‘Mary’ was stating the warning would occur in 2011. When that didnt happen they edited it out of the messages. There is so much more.

Conte has one of the best written denunciations of these messages:
http://ronconte.wordpress.com/2012/01/29/evaluation-of-the-warning-second-coming-messages/

Followed by this forum and its two threads on the subject:
http://motherofgod.freeforums.org/the-warning-second-coming-t2799.html

http://motherofgod.freeforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2218

Please be aware that these message are false and hopefully you quit disseminating them or learn how to discern these things.

[RBStealth]

and...

http://www.catholicplanet.com/apparitions/false199.htm

Make sure you go to the MotherofGod forums and read both those threads. Contained within one of those threads is about a 1 hr radio interview with MariaDivineMercy where she says stuff about her Bishop finding error in her messages and the reason why as indicated in the thread.

[Rides_A_Red_Horse]

The time for me to crush the serpent is drawing nearer.

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According to Scripture, it is Jesus who “crushes the serpent.”

[Rides_A_Red_Horse]

Add salt over the shoulder, lepercauns, rub the belly of Buddha, pray toward Mecca...have I forgot anything you guys have to do?

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You forgot to knick knack paddy whack.

You know, give a dog a bone?

[RBStealth]

and...

http://www.catholicplanet.com/apparitions/false199.htm

Make sure you go to the MotherofGod forums and read both those threads. Contained within one of those threads is about a 1 hr radio interview with MariaDivineMercy where she says stuff about her Bishop finding error in her messages and the reason why as indicated in the thread.

[stpio]

“The website quotes Garabandal which has NOT been approved by the Vatican. Very interesting place, but not an approved apparition site.”

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It can’t be approved until the supernatural events revealed
at Garbandal happen. At present, the parish priest and
the bishop are positive.

And remember, the miraculous host appearing and St. Pio
was positive about Garabandal. Plus Mother Angelica believed but EWTN now, sadly, no.

One of the supernatural events, the Great Warning spoken of at Garabandal has been described by saints in history.

[Rides_A_Red_Horse]

You might as well face it, for it is a biological fact: No Mary, no Jesus.

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Jesus said “Before Abraham, I am. Who came first, Mary or Jesus?

In other words, since Jesus was present at creation, did Mary predate creation?

[rawcatslyentist]

>"the thousand other traditions of Rome is just empty superstition."

Or worse. Outright Baal worship.

All they need is Ozzy to complete the set.

[Dr. Sivana]

I am afraid that you did not read my post carefully.

1. The purported apparition in Necedah, Wisconsin was condemned, NOT approved, and it didn’t take ten years. Steps were taken against it after two years, and outright condemnation after six. The one in Nicaragua was approved almost immediately.

2. I stated in the part that you quoted that one can believe in a message, provided that it does not contradict church teaching; but no, propagation is a different matter.

3. The Vatican’s review of Medjugorje does not pre-empt the bishop of Mostar’s authority in this matter. Bishop Zanic, known for his orthodoxy, had condemned the purported apparitions (the problems with Med. is well documented by both E.Michael Jones and Michael Davies) and the promoters of it were disobediently promoting it even after this. Multiple commissions at both the local level, and at the Vatican also ruled that there was nothing supernatural taking place there.)

4. Historically, true apparitions did NOT have such promotion. Juan Diego went to the priests and bishops. The Fatima children were not telling people to come. Also, the ones that have been approved historically are the ones that don’t go on forever (meaning the investigation cannot be closed). Fatima took place over a few months, Nicaragua was a total of five.

5. “The Holy Father will have much to suffer.” (Fatima) Maybe part of his suffering will come from falsehoods condemning his even before his ascension to the papacy.

Promoting these sorts of anonymous, unapproved purported messages because you believe in them invites rebuttals from those who do not. I had not heard of it before tonight, but it reminds me a lot more of the phonies peddled in Necedah and Bayside than the beautiful truths and careful warnings given at Fatima and Lourdes.

Catholics may even have a duty to point out the problems with such things when aired in a public forum such as FR.

I take no pleasure in this, but I have seen the wrong kind of interest in apparitions, especially the unapproved ones, cause real problems.

I don’t doubt that you have a deep devotion to Out Lord and His Mother. I would urge you to read up on the approved apparitions like Akita and “Our Lady of Nicaragua”, and let the approvals come when they come, if they come.

[RBStealth]

Dr Sivana you are acting as a source of misinformation(as is Richard Salbato of UnityPublishing and many others who prefer to be sloppy with their language).
Medjugorje has not been ‘Condemned’ as you might be fond of saying. A condemnation would align with finding #2 below, Medjugorje has been given #3 by the Bishop of Medjugorje which is a rather tenative finding, open to further proof in either direction.

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http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/apparitions.htm

Types of Decisions.

The decision of the local bishop should be one of the following: 1) constat de supernaturalitate (established as supernatural), 2) constat de non supernaturalitate (established as not supernatural); or 3) non constat de supernaturalitate (not established as supernatural).

1. Constat de supernaturalitate. An apparition judged supernatural (formerly called worthy of belief) has manifested signs or evidence of being an authentic or truly miraculous intervention from heaven. This judgment is possible when there is evidence of supernatural phenomena, sound doctrine, moral probity, mental health and sound piety of the seer(s) and enduring good fruits among the faithful.

The issue of supernaturality is one that deserves to be explored more fully. According to the common teaching of the Church, most extraordinary phenomena in the mystical order (visions, apparitions, locutions, ecstasies, mystical knowledge etc.) are caused by angels acting on God’s behalf. Whether the burning bush which Moses saw, the ecstatic flights of St. Joseph Cupertino, the stigmata of St. Francis or the revelations of St. Catherine, the general rule in the spiritual order is that God does not do immediately and directly what can be done mediately through a lower order nature, in this case the good angels. The presence of such phenomenon is not, therefore, unequivocal evidence of supernaturality. Each of the approved apparitions have had such clear signs, from the instantaneous and inexplicable cures at Lourdes to the natural prodigy of October 13th 1917 in Fátima, but also the other marks of authenticity mentioned above.

2. Constat de non supernaturalitate. The judgment that an alleged apparition has been shown to be not supernatural means it is either clearly not miraculous or lacks sufficient signs of the miraculous. Private revelation, for example, which is doctrinally dangerous or which manifests hostility to lawful authority could not come from God. It could even be demonic, especially if there are extraordinary signs accompanying it. The devil gladly mingles truth and lie to deceive the faithful, dazzling them with signs and wonders to give credence to his message. His purpose is to separate them from the Church, either by getting them to believe things contrary to the deposit of the faith or to act contemptuously of Church authority. An attitude of pride and judgment toward the Church is a clear sign of his presence. An alleged revelation may also only be a pious rambling, consistent with faith and morals, but lacking evidence of being anything more than the product of human effort. No fraud need be intended, only an active imagination. Finally, it may be that the doctrine may be sound and there may be phenomena, but insufficient to demonstrate supernaturality. In this latter case, there would seem to be a possibility of revision.

3. Non constat de supernaturalitate. Finally, it may not be evident whether or not the alleged apparition is authentic. This judgment would seem to be completely open to further evidence or development.

[stpio]

http://www.catholicplanet.com/apparitions/false199.htm

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It has been going on forever, people who are anti-private revelation which includes yet to be approved private revelation. Maybe, it’s envy of the messengers, I don’t know.

Ronald Conte, Jr. of “catholicplanet” is prejudiced and who is he? He has rejected most all of the Catholic prophets. Ronald has predicted the date of the Great Warning three times and been wrong. Such discernment, God does not give exact dates. It’s okay for him to go against the rules.

Lourdes was rejected at first. The world is still arguing over the 3rd secret of Fatima. There was rejection of the Divine Mercy Revelations, good thing for Pope John Paul II. Maybe, Maria of Divine Mercy has to go through the same
rejection. I listened to that radio interview the day Maria was interviewed but I am not familiar with the specific objections about it. I’ll look at those two threads. Thank you.

I didn’t read anything new in this message to Maria of Divine Mercy except that the Pope to follow Benedict XVI is the false pope. And that might of been revealed already at Garabandal. We sure are a lot closer to the Great
Tribulation, if it is true.

[RBStealth]

Hmmm, it seems you dont seek truth, you just seek what you like. There are plenty of us that have been discerning and picking apart these kinds of messages for years and are good at it. Sometimes there is room for disagreement, but if you went to the MotherofGod forum and read it through, you would find almost everyone there finding fault with MariaDivineMercy messages and for good reason. You on the other hand may just like what you like. TWSC does have alot of understanding of Garabandal and our times, but it intertwines secular humanism, the philosophies of ‘modernism’ and ‘liberalism’ into some of the messages. I’m sure I just went over your head!

As I have been following TWSC(waringsecondcoming.com) since it began it did not appear patently false at first, but it made several predictions that did not pan out.

Goodday