Posted on 02/03/2012 6:05:16 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
Park Romney says some pretty wild things.
Mormonism, he writes on the Web site parkromney.com, “is an insidious contemporary fraud.”
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is “an American cult,” he professes.
Mitt Romney, he claims, would be conflicted in office because “obedience to the leadership of the Mormon Church is part of the covenant of the temple ordinances to which Mitt Romney is absolutely a party.”
Were you to come across a man articulating such views on a street corner, you probably would give him a wide berth and look over your shoulder to make sure he wasn’t following you.
But Park Romney, apostate Mormon, is no street-corner eccentric. He is Mitt Romney’s second cousin. Church documents and archival research done by The Post’s Lucy Shackelford trace Park’s lineage to Miles Park Romney, who is also Mitt’s great-grandfather.
The two men have never met. (Miles Park Romney had 30 children, which means Mitt Romney has scores of cousins.) And, based on what Park has been writing, he’s not likely to get a dinner invitation from Mitt anytime soon. “Gov. Romney has never heard of this person, and he doesn’t know him,” campaign spokeswoman Andrea Saul said....
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
Do they each have their own prophet or is this guy the head of all the mormons?
And where does the title of bishop fit in? Does he hand down that title to one of his sons - or he has to fetch his own? Is it bought through donations? Are the younger generation attracted to this cult?
I feel like I’m having a nightmare since ‘08. Can you wake me up. Maybe I need a zot. ;)
WOW!
Well, this is about Mitt, so it's not a conservative candidate. And he's not from his past - the article states they never met. It's not about not liking him but telling us mormonism is a cult and romney would be compromised.
Why are you making a big deal about his cousin Park who is defending the homosexual lifestyle since you are supporting Romney who is pro gay marriage? You and Park are on the same page in that regard. No? Both pro homo.
Yes. That’s the one. Parley Pratt.
I didn’t know that. That certainly presents a “mind” picture too.
You wanted to know “is Park Romney a decent man?”
Not knowing him I would contrast him to his cousin Willard Mitt Romney...
Since the article is about both of them..
Is Willard Mitt Romney a decent man?
Do they each have their own prophet or is this guy the head of all the mormons?
And where does the title of bishop fit in? Does he hand down that title to one of his sons - or he has to fetch his own? Is it bought through donations? Are the younger generation attracted to this cult?
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There is only one prophet at a time for the LDS. He is head of all the LDS church and is believed to be the sucessor of Jesus Christ by having the ‘keys to the Kingdom’. After the prophet dies, the member of the council of the twelve apostles who has the most seniority becomes the next prophet. However, the apostles are also referred to as prophets, but “the Prophet” always refers to the President of the Corporation of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints or to Joseph Smith.
In the LDS church, a “Bishop” is the same as a pastor. They only use the term while they hold the office (usually about 2 years). Above each bishop (who is in charge of the local congregations), is a “Stake President” who is in charge of several congregations (or wards as they call them). Romney was also a Stake President. No title is passed on from parent to child. You become a “Bishop” by being ‘called’ by the Stake president to lead a congregation. It is unpaid and is basically a second full time job. There are a lot of complaints about the amount of time that being a bishop takes and it dragging men away from their families by time constraints. However, it is also a position of authority so that outweighs the time constraints (keeping up with the Jones’ mentality).
Regarding young people, they are often recruited because they are going through periods of life transition, moving out, getting married, going to college, etc and are often looking for something. Also, the LDS social life is very attractive to the youth and sadly most are looking for religion rather than Christ or they equate the two.
Mormonism has a built in social life. However, the internet has been changing that and conversions are WAY down.
So you think Axelrod is warming up to a race against Gingrich?
Your assertion of who I support is a lie; I thought we were over lying about people to advance a stupid argument, when we all condemned Robocalls which suggested that since Jim DeMint endorsed Mitt Romney in 2008, he must be supporting Romney in 2012.
Certainly a large number of people here at FR understood, when they supported Herman Cain, that a person could endoorse ROmney in 2008, and oppose him in 2012. DId you not get that?
Now, why are YOU so insistant on defending Park, and of attacking me for not embracinghis message, when the article in question had nothing about that message, and the only reference in that article about Park was a link to a pro-Gay website where Park was praised while endorsing the gay lifestyle and denouncing not just mormons, but all religion that did not accept the LBGT agenda?
It can’t be because you agree with Park (notice that— I give you the courtesy of your beliefs, whily you slander mine). So I have to assume it is because you are being a hypocrit, pretending to support Park just because it suits the purpose of this conversation.
But I’m open to another explanation, and I certainly can’t read your mind, any more than you can read mind, as much as you like to pretend you can.
So what was your point, other than telling 3 lies about me?
Since this is a religion thread (which was why I asked you a question privately, which you chose to bring back into this thread), I'll ask the religious question -- can a person who rejects God, and seeks to know "Aum", be called "decent"? Can a person's good work in one area overcome his rejection of Jesus Christ?
I mean, we know no man is "good". But you are the one who called him a decent man, although you now say you don't know him.
I’ll ask the religious question — can a person who rejects God, and seeks to know “Aum”, be called “decent”?
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1. Willard Mitt Romney “rejects God” ???
Yes
2. Willard Mitt Romney “seeks to know “Aum” ???
You just taught me another heresy of Mormonism,...
3. Can Willard Mitt Romney be called “decent”?
No
So you call a guy decent without knowing a thing about him
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No I call Willard Mitt Romney indecent...
I know much more than I need to know...
reaching back to 2007 and from there to 1968...
But you are the one who called him a decent man,
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No kid
You were the one who lectured us not to judge candidates by their family members...
I just said I would assume Willard Mitt Romney was a decent man just because his cousin Park Romney was...
You were the one who for several posts now has twisted my words to bash Willies unknown to you cousin in an attempt to raise Willie’s star...
Heavy lifting says I...
There aint a crane big enough...
But you are the one who called him a decent man,
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No kid
You were the one who lectured us not to judge candidates by their family members...
I just said I would not assume Willard Mitt Romney was a decent man just because his cousin Park Romney was...
You were the one who for several posts now has twisted my words to bash Willies unknown to you cousin in an attempt to raise Willie’s star...
Heavy lifting says I...
There aint a crane big enough...
Aum:
Om or Aum (also Auṃ (help·info), written in Tamil as ஓம் Devanāgari as ॐ and as ओ३म् or ओम्, in Sanskrit known as praṇava प्रणव (lit. "to sound out loudly"), Omkara, or Auṃkāra (also as Aumkāra) ओंकार (lit. "Auṃ form/syllable"), is a sacred or mystical syllable in most Dharmic or Indian religions, specifically Hinduism, Jainism and Mahayana Buddhism.It appears to be more of an eastern mysticism. But I guess it could be something more, I just can't find it in a cursory google search.
Now research Mormonism...
I understand now. (BTW, see how I knew you meant "not", and didn't twist your words?)
You weren't saying Park was decent; you were saying that you wouldn't use Park to judge Romney. I apologize for the misinterpretation, and thank you for correcting me.
You may have made a similar inadvertent error; I haven't decided yet whether in the context we are speaking, we could call either Park or Mitt "indecent" simply for not believing in the one true God. Personally, I'm not comfortable labelling a person, rather than their actions, as indecent.
But I'm not saying I disagree with you either. There are many contexts in which I will ignore a person's religious beliefs when dealing with them, but I do take it into account, and given a choice, all else being equal, I prefer someone who clearly worships God. I like doing business with Christians, because I feel I can trust them more. I hang around moreso with believers, and knowing someone is a member of a particular church will help me relate to them.
Politically, I argue that we can't make sweeping pronouncements that those who disagree with us on faith are unsuited for office, mostly because our conservative coalition counts on the support of a range of people of various religious and non-religious affiliations. If some groups learned that others would never support them, the conservative coalition would fall.
But religiously, I always have that question in the back of my mind -- how much trust can you give to a person who doesn't see basic illogic in their belief system. I'm tempered by the fact that many people call Christianity illogical, and different denominations of Christianity get into arguments over differend "illogical" parts of belief, like predestination or the literal Eucharist.
I would love if all Mormons could come to the true faith. But politically, we need those voters. They are reliably conservative as a voting block, especially on many social issues. They were instrumental in reversing gay marriage in California.
Interestingly, Park Romney had an answer which showed he was pretty conservative on economic matters -- the statement could have been written by any tea-partier). It's not that being mormon makes you conservative, just that mormons do tend to be conservative in many ways.
This is why I have stopped participating in the religious threads. My political desire not to upset the apple cart collides with my religious views.
This isn’t about a Billy Beer cousin, read the thread, and watch as it gets sidetracked.
Romney’s more rabid supporters will use any avenue to protect Romney, it is an obsession with them, on a thread about the Mormon cult, and an ex-cult member, and Bishop Romney, look at how the topic was changed.
Rabid, obsessed, Romney supporters will even turn their back on Christianity, by becoming cult defenders, to serve Bishop Romney and his efforts to gain the Presidency.
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