Posted on 12/08/2011 7:46:56 AM PST by Colofornian
"Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet...When they can get rid of me, the devil will also go." (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, Vol. 6, p. 408, 409)
"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]" Apostle George Q. Cannon, as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142
"Whosoever... does not confess that God has sent Joseph Smith, and revealed the everlasting Gospel to and through him, is of Antichrist...," Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 8, p. 176
[There is] "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God" Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190
"No man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith...every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are... [Joseph Smith] reigns there as supreme a being in his sphere, capacity, and calling, as God does in heaven. Many will exclaim—"Oh, that is very disagreeable! It is preposterous! We cannot bear the thought!" But it is true." Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p.289-91
"He that confesseth not that Jesus has come in the flesh and sent Joseph Smith with the fullness of the Gospel to this generation, is not of God, but is anti-christ" Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 9, p.312
"It is because the Lord called Joseph Smith that salvation is again available to mortal men.... If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation," Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 396, 670
"I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, "Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;" if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgression—if you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again." Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155
"You call us fools; but the day will be, gentlemen and ladies, whether you belong to this Church or not, when you will prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a God, and also upon Brigham Young, our Governor” Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 5, p. 88
"It is to be feared that in course of a century, some gifted man like Paul, some splendid orator, who will be able by his eloquence to attract crowds of the thousands who are ever ready to hear, and be carried away by, the sounding brass and tinkling cymbal of sparkling oratory, may command a hearing, may succeed in breathing a new life into this modern Mahometanism, and make the name of the martyred Joseph ring as loud, and stir the souls of men as much, as the mighty name of Christ itself. Sharon, Palmyra, Manchester, Kirtland, Far West, Adam-ondi-Ahman, Ramus. Nauvoo, and the Carthage Jail, may become holy and venerable names, places of classic interest, in another age; like Jerusalem, the Garden of Gethsemane, the Mount of Olives, and Mount Calvary to the Christian, and Mecca and Medina to the Turk." Brigham Young, History of the Church, Vol. 7, p.40-41
Oh what a relief it is. Last thing I wanted was to be scolded by YOU, rofl.
This guy has become my favorite comic. lol
Do you think many new converts really know this stuff? How long did it take you to figure it out? ... Some of them are really mad about being LIED to.
I just had a theory and it goes to Control of the peons.
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Depends on how you define ‘new’. Under a year? No they usually have no idea. After a year, esp in the US? Probably. After about 5 years (like Beck)? Definitely.
I started learing things like Jesus was married at about the one year mark, but I was also lied to by the missionaries (like about polygamy and becoming Gods) under the guise of ‘milk before meat’ and yeah I was mad too later, when I was leaving. When I found out though I make the excuse of ‘milk before meat’ rather than realizing at the time I was lied to. That came later after a christian bookstore owner in Provo got me mad enough to prove him wrong about some early teachings.
And your control of peons theory is spot on. Mormonism is all about ‘busy work’ and keeping the members from thinking/researching for themselves.
This guy has become my favorite comic. lol
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A couple of years ago we had a rash of MormonDude channelings, including MormonDudette, Mormon Dude’s sister, and Mormon dudes third cousin twice removed/uncle/grandfather by marriage. That got to be fun.
That is exactly what these threads are all about, praying that some will get as mad as you and try to prove us wrong, they can't, and are not MAD enough to take the challenge, but that day will come.
As smart as Beck is, he tells us to do our research on subjects he talks about. Don't take my word for it he says, do your research. Dr. heal thyself, Beck do your research on the LDS. Didn't he marry a mormon and then converted to the cult? If so, he is not as smart as he thinks he is.
Beck is into hoarding/survival, buy food, gold, etc., this too is what I have read the mormons tell their members to do. One exmo stated they had to throw out rotten/spoiled canned goods when one of their mormon relatives died.
Placemark. And good job, Colo!
The true Spirit of Christmas from my Church:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDtfIklhykY
Merry Christmas!
Question: The Family Search site, when doing a name search and find it there, does that mean they have been DUNKED or ENDOWED? I have used that site for genealogy purposes, stupid people they have it all wrong most of the time. Don't matter to them, they would just DUNK Dumbo Murphy, anything with a name. Micky Mouse has probably been dunked.
Some of my family is in there many times, differant names mispelling etc.
PS: I do so enjoy this conversation, hope you don't mind all my queries.
We have already had at least 3 active freepers (who knows how many lurkers), come out of Mormonism and to Christ because of these threads.
Re Beck, I try to avoid him but every time I see him his comments are more ‘mormon’ and I have seen more than once him just give Mormon ‘pat answers’ and fake - like about the council of Niecea and the Dead Sea Scrolls. Not too smart for someone who tells people to do their research, IMO.
Nah we just got bored. LOL.
Re: geneology - Mormons brag about their genealogy but I discovered, when I took a geneology course at BYU, I discovered just how sloppy their records are, names wrong, dates wrong, places wrong, duplicate or triplicate entries. Its a real mess.
The LDS used to have a separate database for temple records that was only available to Temple recommend holding members (IOW very few), but it is a good bet that if the info is in family search, the work has been done already. I’m not sure about Mickey Mouse but I do know some other fictional characters have had their ‘temple work’ done.
And I don’t mind the questions at all. ;)
>>>>>>>>> That's what I have found, a real mess. Then I had to deduce those errors of sloppy work to: New members must do/or suggested they do their genealogy, they don't care, all they want is names to turn in, facts do not enter in to their thought as most of them are not really interested in the LDS anyway, and will soon be quiting, especially the young ones, genealogy would bore them.
Yeah!Yeah!Yeah! ma, I did my homework, leave me alone.
.............. PRAISE THE LORD, I wish I had been into these threads to see that. Just Praise the Lord. Thanks for sharing that, I can now go to bed on an uplifting note. Keep up the GOOD and only true GOSPEL.
See you all later, goodnight for now.
A couple of years ago we had a rash of MormonDude channelings, including MormonDudette, Mormon Dude’s sister,
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Silly Gentile...
You didnt drink your milk..
MormonDudee(MormonDude’s lil sis - When would be a good time for 2 cute errr astute young men on bikes wearing ugly ties to visit you and show you more about the restored um thingy ???)
And, I do not want to scold ANYone; but sometimes you just have to!
I want the WORDS on the screen to speak for themselves; and NOT have to be 'explained' as to their 'real' meaning!
The hardest thing I've ever had to do is to 'teach' adults, who have been Christians for years, what the bible does NOT say!
The Devil has absolutely filled our minds with all kinds of things that just ain't so, and rooting them out is tough!
Bah! I learned in the Temple just what you 'teachers' do!
I'd just LOVE to hear YOUR reasoning for why Moses didn't take the unicorn onto the ark!)
Imitation is the sincerest form of...
—MormonDude(Oh yeah? YOU try going to the family reunions then!)
No.
The lady was smart enough to know that folks NEED some king of religion in their life and won't marry him until they had one.
(A lot of stuff can fall into that GOD shaped hole if we are not careful)
Hear Glenn tell it: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1859577/lds_mormon_church_glenn_beck_on_mormonism/
The kidnapped spirit of MORMONism...
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