Posted on 10/14/2011 5:20:26 PM PDT by Salvation
Blasphemy...denying the Holy Spirit’s existence and the power thereof to move in and effect change in the hearts of men.
Even though my eyes were tested out OK there is something about having the dilated that remains a couple days.
Should be
What Is the Unforgivable Sin against the Holy Spirit? [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
I don’t know about all that, but I’ve always understood the “unpardonable sin” to be continual rejection of the prompting of the Holy Spirit to turn to God.
I’ve also been told that if someone is worried about having committed it, it’s a pretty good indication that they probably haven’t.
I am a Southern Baptist and that is pretty much the same thing I have been taught. Not really that much different from the Catholic view.
What Is the Unforgivable Sin against the Holy Spirit? [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
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The Holy Spirit and Me
[CATH/ORTH CAUCUS] From Mediocrity to Magnificence: A Meditation on the Fruits of the Holy Spirit
Sins Against the Holy Spirit [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
The Holy Spirit and Middlemen
The Catholic Charismatic Renewal
The Holy Spirit And Mary (Catholic Caucus)
Benedict XVI's Homily for Solemnity of Pentecost
Pentecost Past and Present
The Purpose of Pentecost: and the New Missionary Age of the Church
Pentecost: the Holy Spirit Comes
Pentecost on Mount Athos (where earthly time is one and the same as the eternal today of heaven)
Vigil of the Pentecost and Whitsunday
The Gifts of the Holy Spirit
The Twelve Fruits of the Holy Spirit [Devotional]
Novena to the Holy Ghost [Holy Spirit]
The Holy Spirit: Pentecost
The Church's First Novena
Litany of the Holy Spirit for the election of a holy pope.
That’s great.
The answer to this question is pretty clear...
When Jesus healed someone, the Pharisees after witnessing the healing proclaimed that Jesus had performed the miracle by the power of Satan.
Jesus immediately responded with the point that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit would not be forgiven.
1. You have to be a direct witness to a manifestation of the Holy Spirit.
2. After witnessing such an event, if you claim that it was the devil who did it, you have committed the unpardonable sin.
3. Saying that the miracle was a trick or something is not the same... that is simply dis-belief.
Some would argue that in order to commit this sin, you would have to be witnessing Jesus performing it... which means it’s not possible to commit this sin today.
Others argue that you can indeed commit this sin if you witness a true manifestation of the Holy Spirit (such as a miraculous healing) and claim that it was by Satan’s power.
The other extreme suggests that if you even speak out against someone speaking under direction of the Holy Spirit, and then say that their words are not from God, that this qualifies. Most modern day theology has a tendency to hover around this version or variance of it, and it is frequently used as a manipulative tool to coerce people into believing the speaker or at least to keep quiet.
Personally, I believe that the truth lies in the middle. I believe it is possible to commit this sin today, but it would require that you witness a miracle, and then say that Satan did it. (Who would do that other than someone totally sold out to Satan?)
Given this, I would submit that this is one reason why we rarely see miracles occurring today. They DO happen, but I believe God is very careful about when and where... simply because God doesn’t want to give up on anybody if he can help it... and miraculously healing someone in public could actually be exposing unbelievers to the vulnerability of committing the unforgivable sin.
Unbelief...
I always understood that in fact no man truly knows what acts or omissions would constitute this sin. I doubt despair would always qualify as I have personally seen people go into severe depression requiring hospitalization; and at their low point felt even God rejected them. After medication and treatment they returned to a reasonably hopeful frame of mind.
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For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, [d]since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.
7 For ground that drinks the rain which often [e]falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God;
8 but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close [f]to being cursed, and [g]it ends up being burned.
If you know you have committed an unpardonable sin, doesn’t that mean you despair of salvation? If it’s unpardonable, it’s unpardonable. No?
Presumption, or as it’s known on FR, “once saved always saved.”
He saw her die in a sex act and her soul go to Hell.
The Lord gave him this verse after the Vision. I just posted it before. I never forgot these verses since that story. Very interesting to say the least.
Hebrews 6
The Peril of Falling Away
1 Therefore leaving the [a]elementary teaching about the [b]Christ, let us press on to [c]maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,
2 of instruction about washings and laying on of hands, and the resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment.
3 And this we will do, if God permits.
4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, [d]since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.
7 For ground that drinks the rain which often [e]falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God;
8 but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close [f]to being cursed, and [g]it ends up being burned.
>>> For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
If you quoted this passage as an example of unforgivable sin, I would like to point out a couple of things...
1. “Fallen away” is not a reference to condemnation
2. “Renew again to repentance” is not a reference to salvation.
Those are key operative phrases that can easily be confused with condemnation and salvation, but they are more in line with a person’s state of mind... which is what is being discussed.
My short interpretation of that passage is “Those who turn from the faith (fall away) are vulnerable to an early death.”
Another alternate reading of that passage refers to those who have actually seen the works of the Holy Spirit, and still turned away (refused to accept Jesus). In other words, if the Holy Spirit Himself cannot win a person’s heart to Christ, it is impossible for anyone else to.
Since it is difficult to understand exactly who is being referred to in verse four (saved or unsaved), I would offer both interpretations as possibilities... but I would not say this passage refers to the unpardonable sin.
Hebrews 6
7" For ground that drinks the rain which often [e]falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God;
8 BUT if it Yields thorns and thistles, it is Worthless and close [f]to being Cursed, and [g]it ends up being BURNED."
Remember it was in a story I read. It does not mean it was true either. But the verses do speak for themselves at times. I read mine in the Holy Spirit. Meaning after very much Prayers in the Spirit. If we read it without any real prayer time we can be dangerous to say what it really is meaning. Of course that is in my opinion.
Freeper Regards!
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