Posted on 10/03/2011 8:52:51 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
The Mormon Jesus and the Biblical Jesus can be easily contrasted as follows:
1. Mormon Jesus is not the only god - Biblical Jesus is the only God and part of the Triune Godhead.
2. Mormon Jesus was not always a god - Biblical Jesus is and was always God
3. Mormon Jesus is the spirit brother of Lucifer - Biblical Jesus is the Creator and created everything including Lucifer
4. Mormon Jesus saves upon faith and obdeience to laws and ordinances - Biblical Jesus saves upon faith through grace and not of works
And true to LDS inc instruction, you have chosen to not answer, presumably on the grounds that it will reveal too much about LDS inc fundamentals. As I wrote, I doubt you will answer, honestly. And tht IS my honest opinion.
Your answer is not entirely correct...\
Several Mormon apostles who were in a position of authority did absolutely teach that god had physical sex with Mary. Their statements have not been refuted by the LDS.
“The birth of the Savior was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood-—was begotten of his Father as we were of our fathers” (Journal of Discourses vol.8, p.115); and “when the Virgin Mary conceived the child Jesus, the Father had begotten him in his own likeness [flesh and blood]. He was not begotten by the Holy Ghost” (Journal of Discourses, vol.1, p.50).
Brigham Young insisted: “I will say that I was naturally begotten; so was my father, and also my Savior Jesus Christ...he is the first begotten of his father in the flesh, and there was nothing unnatural about it” (Journal of Discourses vol.8, p.211); “Now remember from this time forth, and for ever, that Jesus Christ was not begotten by the Holy Ghost” (Journal of Discourses, vol.1, p.51).
Orson Pratt (LDS apostle) taught: “the Father and Mother of Jesus, according to the flesh, must have been associated together in the capacity of Husband and Wife as God was the first husband to her, it may be that He only gave her to be the wife of Joseph while in this mortal state, and that He intended after the resurrection to again take her as one of his own wives to raise up immortal spirits in eternity” (The Seer. p.158, 1853).
Joseph Fielding Smith wrote: “The birth of the Savior was a natural occurrence unattended by any degree of mysticism, and the Father God was the literal parent of Jesus in the flesh as well as in the spirit” (Religious Truths Defined, p.44).
“Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers” (Mormon Doctrine, p. 547, 1979).
I guess you would not want to, unless you were a Christian.
Care to describe what YOU consider the "real gospel of Jesus Christ"?
BTW, one wonders if the fact that the thread article "Mark 400th Anniversary of King James Version by Studying Bible" was from Thomas Monson escaped your notice?
You are reading into those quotes what you want to see rather than what LDS actually believe. And you’re going to have to provide an link to lds.org for that quote you claim is from us. Good luck with that.
Here’s an actual quote from lds.org:
http://lds.org/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-11-the-life-of-christ
“The story of the birth and life of the Savior is found in the New Testament in the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. From their accounts we learn that Jesus was born of a virgin named Mary. She was engaged to marry Joseph when an angel of the Lord appeared to her. The angel told her that she was to be the mother of the Son of God. She asked him how this was possible (see Luke 1:34). He told her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God (Luke 1:35). Thus, God the Father became the literal Father of Jesus Christ.”
Again, do you believe that Christ is figuratively or literally the Son of God?
Huh? Show me where after I quoted an lds statement where I explained the statement. I think the statements stand on their own.
Oh, yea. No explanation needed of, lds leaders stating that Mary did have physical sex with the lds god , their statements stand on their own.
But WHY??
They believe it is filled with error and ommision!
#8
The Articles of Faith outline 13 basic points of belief of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The Prophet Joseph Smith first wrote them in a letter to John Wentworth, a newspaper editor,
in response to Mr. Wentworth's request to know what members of the Church believed.
They were subsequently published in Church periodicals.
They are now regarded as scripture and included in the Pearl of Great Price.
THE ARTICLES OF FAITH
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535541
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Let's just see how well THAT turned out!
Color coding explanation:
Added stuff... Changed stuff... Rearranged stuff... Removed stuff...
*(UNDERLINED stuff is the DISTRACTING reference on every fifth word that infuses LDS 'scripture' online.)
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Yep...just how long WOULD it take before you get the message that you are misinformed somewhere ALL along the line??
It's sad to see someone who knows so little about their own belief try to defend it against those who actually DO know much about that belief. I predict that a co-religionist will privately inform you that you are overmatched.
Blind faith is just that....blind.
See post 43
Just because the LDS.org site provides the statement you quoted, it doesn’t refute the many statements made by Mormon apostles in the past. This statement provides an incomplete picture of what Mormons were taught regarding the conception of Christ.
You preface that an official link to LDS.org is needed to prove your teachings, which is incorrect. Past statements made by your apostles are still valid as official church positions, unless they have been specifically recanted by the church.
Thank you for trying to interpret the prophet for us poor Mormons, but you should read the actual talk that quote came from. I heard the talk and read it afterwards. I understood what he was talking about and what he meant. The “Biblical” Jesus and the “LDS” Jesus are one and the same and President Hinckly agreed.
I don’t need to read anything into these quotes, nor do I need to explain them, they stand on their own. (only the one is from lds.org. the others are from lds documents, as with references included)
To refresh your memory:
Bruce McConkie, in perhaps the most explicit denial of the virgin birth, wrote,
Christ was begotten by an immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers. (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, p. 547)
From lds.org: There is no doubt that the idea of physical relations between God and Mary has been clearly advocated in the Church by such authorities as Brigham Young [1], Orson Pratt [2], Heber C. Kimball [3], Joseph F. Smith, [4], Joseph Fielding Smith [5], James E. Talmage [6], Melvin J. Ballard [7], J. Reuben Clark [8], Bruce R. McConkie [9], and Ezra Taft Benson [10]. Mormons believe that Christ was literally the Son of God in the flesh, and he was conceived in a natural, physical way according to eternal law.
Christ Not Begotten of Holy Ghost... Christ was begotten of God. He was not born without the aid of Man, and that Man was God! (Doctrines of Salvation, Joseph Fielding Smith, 1954, 1:18).
These name-titles all signify that our Lord is the only Son of the Father in the flesh. Each of the words is to be understood literally. Only means only; Begotten means begotten; and Son means son. Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers. (Mormon Doctrine, 1979, pages 546-47)
Clearly not!
Or else why isn't the JST considered to be SCRIPTURE to MORMONs???
And yet the very founders of MORMONism REJECTED the very things they read therein!
THE BOOK OF JACOB
THE BROTHER OF NEPHICHAPTER 224 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.
32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.
Or even HERE:
1 Timothy 3:2-3
2. Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
3. not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.1 Timothy 3:12
A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.Titus 1:6
An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTSSECTION 1325157, Emma Smith is counseled (commanded) to be faithful and true; 5866, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.
Now these are a really good questions!!!
The Mormon Jesus and the Biblical Jesus can be easily contrasted as follows:
1. Mormon Jesus is not the only god - Biblical Jesus is the only God and part of the Triune Godhead.
2. Mormon Jesus was not always a god - Biblical Jesus is and was always God
3. Mormon Jesus is the spirit brother of Lucifer - Biblical Jesus is the Creator and created everything including Lucifer
4. Mormon Jesus saves upon faith and obdeience to laws and ordinances - Biblical Jesus saves upon faith through grace and not of works
Surely, as a MORMON, you mjust KNOW that your TEMPLEs in NO way tell the 'world' about JESUS or his atonement!
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