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To: svcw

You are reading into those quotes what you want to see rather than what LDS actually believe. And you’re going to have to provide an link to lds.org for that quote you claim is from us. Good luck with that.

Here’s an actual quote from lds.org:
http://lds.org/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-11-the-life-of-christ
“The story of the birth and life of the Savior is found in the New Testament in the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. From their accounts we learn that Jesus was born of a virgin named Mary. She was engaged to marry Joseph when an angel of the Lord appeared to her. The angel told her that she was to be the mother of the Son of God. She asked him how this was possible (see Luke 1:34). He told her, “The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God” (Luke 1:35). Thus, God the Father became the literal Father of Jesus Christ.”

Again, do you believe that Christ is figuratively or literally the Son of God?


46 posted on 10/03/2011 10:58:50 AM PDT by oremites
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To: oremites

See post 43

Just because the LDS.org site provides the statement you quoted, it doesn’t refute the many statements made by Mormon apostles in the past. This statement provides an incomplete picture of what Mormons were taught regarding the conception of Christ.

You preface that an official link to LDS.org is needed to prove your teachings, which is incorrect. Past statements made by your apostles are still valid as official church positions, unless they have been specifically recanted by the church.


53 posted on 10/03/2011 11:04:52 AM PDT by Turtlepower
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To: oremites

I don’t need to read anything into these quotes, nor do I need to explain them, they stand on their own. (only the one is from lds.org. the others are from lds documents, as with references included)

To refresh your memory:

Bruce McConkie, in perhaps the most explicit denial of the virgin birth, wrote,

“Christ was begotten by an immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers.” (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, p. 547)

From lds.org: There is no doubt that the idea of physical relations between God and Mary has been clearly advocated in the Church by such authorities as Brigham Young [1], Orson Pratt [2], Heber C. Kimball [3], Joseph F. Smith, [4], Joseph Fielding Smith [5], James E. Talmage [6], Melvin J. Ballard [7], J. Reuben Clark [8], Bruce R. McConkie [9], and Ezra Taft Benson [10]. Mormons believe that Christ was literally the Son of God in the flesh, and he was conceived in a natural, physical way according to eternal law.

“Christ Not Begotten of Holy Ghost... Christ was begotten of God. He was not born without the aid of Man, and that Man was God!” (Doctrines of Salvation, Joseph Fielding Smith, 1954, 1:18).

“These name-titles all signify that our Lord is the only Son of the Father in the flesh. Each of the words is to be understood literally. Only means only; Begotten means begotten; and Son means son. Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers.” (Mormon Doctrine, 1979, pages 546-47)


55 posted on 10/03/2011 11:05:18 AM PDT by svcw (Those who are easily shocked... should be shocked more often. - Mae West)
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To: oremites
Thus, God the Father became the literal Father of Jesus Christ.”

Ah...

LDS.ORG can 'explain' what was said, but svcw can't.

Gotcha...

77 posted on 10/03/2011 11:31:27 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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