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To: svcw
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
To: oremites; svcw
Unfortunately, you haven’t provided a single quote where an LDS leader stated that Mary had physical sex with God.
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Why stop at just ONE! These are very clear quotes.
“Two exciting elements of mortality, both God-given, are worthy of our
consideration. The first is that we receive a body that is physical, tangible,
one that has feelings and powers not yet enjoyed by a spirit. This body is to
facilitate our progress toward becoming like our Heavenly Father. Keep in mind
that this ‘gift’ was created in the EXACT LIKENESS OF HIM WHOSE CHILDREN WE
ARE. The second element is that some powers given to us through our bodies are
inherently of God, and ARE UNIQUE TO HIS ORDER OF LIFE. Our natural feelings
concerning the power to ‘reproduce after our own kind’ are holy and desirable.
All we have and are, so far as our natural state is concerned, is good, for it
is of God.......The powers to reproduce, then, are good, and cannot be
considered evil.......”(Achieving a Celestial Marriage, p. 17).
Luke 1:35 says, speaking of Mary, “The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the
power of the Highest shall overshadow thee; therefore also that holy thing
which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.”
Some Mormon leaders have interpreted this verse to mean that for Mary, a human,
to be able to ‘withstand the presence of God,’ that the Holy Ghost had to come
upon her:
“The Holy Ghost is the messenger of the Father and the Son. Mortal beings
could not endure the presence of the Father without the Spirit overshadowing
them, and that was the mission of the Holy Ghost, but not to beget the Son of
God, THAT WAS THE BUSINESS OF THE FATHER. Jesus Christ is the Only Begotten
Son of God the Father in the flesh, and in holding to this doctrine President
Brigham Young is in perfect accord with the teachings in the Bible.”
(Joseph Fielding Smith, Answers to Gospel Questions, vol. 5, p. 128).
Here is the statement of BY’s that JFS supports:
“When the Virgin Mary conceived the child Jesus, the Father had begotten him in
his own likeness. He was not begotten by the Holy Ghost. And who is the
Father? He is the first of the human family; and when he (Christ) took a
tabernacle, it was begotten by his Father in Heaven, AFTER THE SAME MANNER as
the tabernacles of Cain, Abel, and the rest of the sons and daughters of Adam
and Eve. Jesus, our elder brother, was begotten in the flesh by the same
character that was in the garden of Eden, and who is our Father in Heaven.”
(JoD 1:50-51, also “Answers”, vol. 5, p. 121).
To illustrate more clearly that BY meant that Christ’s conception was actual
physical sex, here is another of his statements:
“The birth of our Savior was as natural as are the births of our children; it
was the result of NATURAL ACTION. He partook of FLESH AND BLOOD—was begotten
of his father, as we were of our fathers.” (JoD, vol. 8, p. 115).
Here are a few more quotes from the 1962 Gospel Doctrine Sunday School Lesson
Manual “Gospel Living in the Home,” p. 16-17:
“Jesus Christ is the Son of Elohim both as spiritual and bodily OFFSPRING; that
is to say, Elohim is LITERALLY the Father of the spirit of Jesus Christ and
also of the BODY in which Jesus Christ performed his mission in the flesh...”
(as quoted from ‘The Articles of Faith’ by James E. Talmage, p. 466).
“We are told in the scriptures that Jesus Christ is the only begotten son of
God in the flesh....how are children begotten? I answer, just as Jesus was
begotten of his Father. The Christian denominations believe that Christ was
begotten not of God, but of the spirit that overshadowed his mother. THIS IS
NONSENSE. Why will they not believe the Father when He says that Jesus Christ
is His Only Begotten Son? Why will they try to EXPLAIN THIS TRUTH AWAY and
make mystery of it?” (as quoted from Joseph F. Smith, ‘Box Elder Times,’ Sep.
22, 1914).
“When the time came that His first-born, the Saviour, should come into the
world and take a tabernacle, the Father came himself and favored that Spirit
with a tabernacle instead of letting any other man do it. The Saviour was
begotten by the Father of His spirit, by the same being who is the Father of
our spirits, AND THAT IS ALL THE ORGANIC DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JESUS CHRIST AND
YOU AND ME.” (as quoted from ‘Discourses of Brigham Young,” 1925 edition, p.
77).
“The Holy Ghost came upon Mary, her conception was under that influence, even
of the spirit of life; our Father in Heaven was the Father of the Son of
Mary.....” (as quoted from Joseph Fielding Smith, ‘Man: His Origin and
Destiny), p. 345.)
To allay any repugnancy from members on the idea of God having actual physical
relations with the human Mary, some leaders pitched the idea that Mary was one
of God’s polygamous “celestial wives”:
“The fleshly body of Jesus required a Mother as well as a Father. Therefore,
the Father and Mother of Jesus, according to the flesh, must have been
associated in the capacity of husband and wife; hence the Virgin Mary must have
been, for the time being, the lawful wife of God the Father: we use the term
lawful wife, because it would be blasphemous in the highest degree to say that
He overshadowed her or begat the Savior unlawfully........He had a lawful right
to overshadow the Virgin Mary IN THE CAPACITY OF A HUSBAND, and beget a
Son.......Whether God the Father gave Mary to Joseph for time only, or for time
and eternity, we are not informed. It may be that He only gave her to be the
wife of Joseph while in this
mortal state, and that He intended after the resurrection to again take her as
one of his own wives to raise up immortal spirits in eternity.”
Apostle Orson Pratt, “The Seer,” Oct. 1853, p. 158).
Pratt’s statement is supported by one from Brigham Young: “The man Joseph, the
husband of Mary, did not, that we know of, have more than one wife, but Mary
the wife of Joseph had another husband.” (Deseret News, Oct. 10, 1866).
The same idea is repeated in “The Life and Teachings of Jesus”, 1974, p. 29:
“Joseph was a mortal soul in premortality to be blessed with the signal honor
of coming to earth and acting as THE LEGAL GUARDIAN OF THE SON OF THE ETERNAL
FATHER IN THE FLESH.”
And another statement from this same 1974 lesson manual, distributed to tens of
thousands of LDS Institute students: “She, (Mary), heavy with child, traveled
all that distance on mule-back, guarded and protected as one about to give
birth to A HALF-DEITY. No other man in the history of this world of ours has
ever had such an ancestry—God the Father on the one hand and Mary the Virgin
on the other.”
I repeat a quote from Ezra Taft Benson from 1988, published while he was
president of the LDS church: “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
proclaims that Jesus Christ is the Son of God in THE MOST LITERAL SENSE. The
body in which He performed His mission in the flesh was SIRED by that same Holy
Being we worship as God, our Eternal Father.” (Teachings of ET Benson, p. 6).
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posted on
10/03/2011 9:31:10 PM PDT
by
reaganaut
(Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
To: william clark; oremites
I know that many “plain and precious things” are believed by LDS to have been lost from the Bible prior to the establishment of your church. Since D&C/Pearl of Great Price are regarded as new revelations and/or supplemental historical material, then what “plain and precious things” were restored within the Book of Mormon if it does contain the “fullness of the gospel”?
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VERY GOOD QUESTION!
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posted on
10/03/2011 9:35:51 PM PDT
by
reaganaut
(Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
To: svcw
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
To: BlueMoose
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
To: BlueMoose
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
To: BlueMoose
So I post: God wants none to be separated from Him. All can be Saved by Grace, no works required.
Then you reply:
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds
So I ask: what is it you are trying to impart? Are you saying God does want some to be separated from Him? It is difficult to know what it is you are trying to say as sometimes it just appears yo are talking to yourself.
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posted on
10/03/2011 10:00:35 PM PDT
by
svcw
(Those who are easily shocked... should be shocked more often. - Mae West)
To: BlueMoose
Keep working to earn that salvation Bmoose.
Sad that it is something freely given to those who can simply understand...
108
posted on
10/04/2011 2:57:50 AM PDT
by
ejonesie22
(8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
To: reaganaut
The excuse used for the {Salt Lake City branch of} LDS not using the JST (or only a few verses) is that he did not complete it.Which is FALSE!!
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posted on
10/04/2011 6:13:35 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
To: reaganaut
However, that is no longer an issue as it is now in public domain. Well then!
We can expect that any day now, Monson will receive REVELATION from GOD to declare it to be SCRIPTURE; right?
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posted on
10/04/2011 6:14:44 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
To: reaganaut
We can expect that any day now, Monson will receive REVELATION from GOD to declare it to be SCRIPTURE; right?And if you just CAN'T wait to be enlightened...
Let's compare KJV to JST:
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King James Version
John 1
1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2. The same was in the beginning with God.
3. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6. There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11. He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13. Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
15. John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
16. And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
17. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
18. No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
19. And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?
20. And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ.
21. And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.
22. Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself?
23. He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.
24. And they which were sent were of the Pharisees.
25. And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet?
26. John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not;
27. He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe's latchet I am not worthy to unloose.
28. These things were done in Bethabara beyond Jordan, where John was baptizing.
29. The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
30. This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.
31. And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.
32. And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
33. And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
34. And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God. |
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Joseph Smith Translation
John 11 In the beginning was the gospel preached through the Son. And the gospel was the word, and the word was with the Son, and the Son was with God, and the Son was of God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. ![]()
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made which was made.
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4 In him was the gospel, and the gospel was the life, and the life was the light of men;
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5 And the light shineth in the world, and the world perceiveth it not.
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6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
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7 The same came into the world for a witness, to bear witness of the light, to bear record of the gospel through the Son, unto all, that through him men might believe.
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8 He was not that light, but came to bear witness of that light,
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9 Which was the true light, which lighteth every man who cometh into the world;
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10 Even the Son of God. He who was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
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11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
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12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God; only to them who believe on his name.
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13 He was born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
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14 And the same word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the Only Begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
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15 John bear witness of him, and cried, saying, This is he of whom I spake; He who cometh after me, is preferred before me; for he was before me.
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16 For in the beginning was the Word, even the Son, who is made flesh, and sent unto us by the will of the Father, And as many as believe on his name shall receive of his fulness. And of his fullness have all we received, even immortality and eternal life, through his grace.
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17 For the law was given through Moses, but life and truth came through Jesus Christ.
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18 For the law was after a carnal commandment, to the administration of death; but the gospel was after the power of an endless life, through Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father.
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19 And no man hath seen God at any time, except he hath borne record of the Son; for except it is through him no man can be saved.
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20 And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem, to ask him; Who art thou?
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21 And he confessed, and denied not that he was Elias; but confessed, saying; I am not the Christ.
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22 And they asked him, saying; How then art thou Elias? And he said, I am not that Elias who was to restore all things. And they asked him, saying, Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.
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23 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself?
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24 He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as saith the prophet Esaias. ![]()
25 And they who were sent were of the Pharisees.
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26 And they asked him, and said unto him; Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not the Christ, nor Elias who was to restore all things, neither that prophet?
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27 John answered them, saying; I baptize with water, but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not;
28 He it is of whom I bear record. He is that prophet, even Elias, who, coming after me, is preferred before me, whose shoe's latchet I am not worthy to unloose, or whose place I am not able to fill; for he shall baptize, not only with water, but with fire, and with the Holy Ghost.
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29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and said; Behold the Lamb of God, who taketh away the sin of the world!
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30 And John bare record of him unto the people, saying, This is he of whom I said; After me cometh a man who is preferred before me; for he was before me, and I knew him, and that he should be made manifest to Israel; therefore am I come baptizing with water. ![]()
31 And John bare record, saying; When he was baptized of me, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
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32 And I knew him; for he who sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me; Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he who baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
![]() 33 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
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34 These things were done in Bethabara, beyond Jordan, where John was baptizing.
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posted on
10/04/2011 6:16:59 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
To: reaganaut
Bear..
bare...
what DIFFERENCE does it make??
112
posted on
10/04/2011 6:17:38 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
To: reaganaut
I love it when LDS think they know more than their prophets.Why?
It sure wouldn't take MUCH!! (#5)
In conclusion let us summarize this grand key, these “Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet”, for our salvation depends on them.
1. The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.
2. The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.
3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.
4. The prophet will never lead the church astray.
5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time.
6. The prophet does not have to say “Thus Saith the Lord,” to give us scripture.
7. The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.
8. The prophet is not limited by men’s reasoning.
9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual.
10. The prophet may advise on civic matters.
11. The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.
12. The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.
13. The prophet and his counselors make up the First Presidency—the highest quorum in the Church.
14. The prophet and the presidency—the living prophet and the First Presidency—follow them and be blessed—reject them and suffer.
I testify that these fourteen fundamentals in following the living prophet are true. If we want to know how well we stand with the Lord then let us ask ourselves how well we stand with His mortal captain—how close do our lives harmonize with the Lord’s anointed—the living Prophet—President of the Church, and with the Quorum of the First Presidency.
Ezra Taft Benson
(Address given Tuesday, February 26, 1980 at Brigham Young University)
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posted on
10/04/2011 6:19:19 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
To: reaganaut
I love it when LDS think they know more than their prophets.Well, they SURE know a lot more than mere CHRISTIANS!!!
Timeline... Subject...
0:59 "Anti-Mormons..."
1:16 "ATTACK the faith you have..."
2:02 "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."
3:57 "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."
114
posted on
10/04/2011 6:20:17 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
To: DustyMoment
The King James version is known to be fraught with errors, misinterpretations and incorrect translations of Aramaic, rewriting parts the way King James thought they should be, removing some books and adding in others, and flat out making stuff up to coincide with his version of Jesus' life. Got a list of these we can see; instead of us hoping that you are telling the truth?
115
posted on
10/04/2011 6:21:51 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
To: reaganaut
Because LDS are not ‘fellow believers’. They are not our brothers and sisters in Christ, sadly. Romans 10:2 (KJV)
For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God,
but not according to knowledge.
116
posted on
10/04/2011 6:23:27 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
To: reaganaut
There you go AGAIN!
Trying to use FACTS to overcome what we MORMONs FEEL in our hearts!
—MormonDude(I get this warm and fuzzy feeling every time I read about Moroni...)
117
posted on
10/04/2011 6:25:21 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
To: reaganaut
...the Book of Mormon if it does contain the “fullness of the gospel”?It MUST contain it; for this big statue in Temple Square declares it so!!
118
posted on
10/04/2011 6:27:11 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
To: Elsie
Office of First President & Living Prophet®: October 1st, 2011
The message for this month is -
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Fellow MORMON Christians!!
I've been getting strange messages from GOD in my sleep. Things about GAYS, and Joseph Smith's re-translation of the KJV of the bible, and our vast landholdings in Florida and Hawaii.
Troubling thoughts that awake me in a sweat.
I'll try to keep all of you faithfull fully informed as the meassge becvomes clearer.
Until then; CTR and wear your garment!
Tommy
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119
posted on
10/04/2011 6:33:28 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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posted on
10/04/2011 7:07:33 AM PDT
by
svcw
(Those who are easily shocked... should be shocked more often. - Mae West)
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