Posted on 09/02/2011 9:07:47 AM PDT by marshmallow
Minneapolis, Minnesota (CNN) –Prior to 2006, few people even knew that then-Minnesota state legislator Keith Ellison was a Muslim. Because of his English name, he said, no one thought to ask.
But five years ago, when he ran for a seat in the United States House of Representatives - a race he would go on to win - word of his religious affiliation began to spread.
“When I started running for Congress it actually took me by surprise that so many people were fascinated with me being the first Muslim in Congress,” said Ellison, a Democrat now serving his third term in the House.
“But someone said to me, ‘Look Keith, think of a person of Japanese origin running for Congress six years after Pearl Harbor–this might be a news story.’”
Though Ellison's status as the first Muslim elected to Congress is widely known, fewer are aware that he was born into a Catholic family in Detroit and was brought up attending Catholic schools.
But he said he was never comfortable with that faith.
“I just felt it was ritual and dogma,” Ellison said. “Of course, that’s not the reality of Catholicism, but it’s the reality I lived. So I just kind of lost interest and stopped going to Mass unless I was required to.”
It wasn’t until he was a student at Wayne State University in Detroit when Ellison began, “looking for other things.”
(Excerpt) Read more at religion.blogs.cnn.com ...
No prayers addressed to Christ or the Holy Spirit?
"Oh my Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell, and lead all souls to heaven, especially those most in need of thy mercy."
"Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit, as it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end, amen.
Is that incorrect, the numbers of each prayer? Incomplete.
Link? http://www.rosary-center.org/howto.htm
Sorry, but you'll have to cut and paste that into your browser, it doesn't show as a link when using html in a reply
I don't have a problem with “attitude” (despite what you may hear about me).
It's that the whole sentence is weird. Here's how the hideous NAB does it: Have among yourselves the same attitude that is also yours in Christ Jesus.
I did check the Greek last night. And I guess I think there are clearer ways Paul could have said “Have Christ's attitude.”. So for me the “scandal” is that your guys smooth over the problem.
(It's like the NEB which translates the first verse of John, “when all things began, the Word already was.”. To me that's fine theology, but lousy translation.)
To me Paul, if asked to explain v. 5 would NOT say, “You have to think as IHS thinks.”. He'd say something more like, “D00dz! You have been remade. You now live in Christ. Your phronesis IS Christ's, or at least IN Christ’s. You HAVE this attitude already. So for crying out loud, HAVE it, not the divisive and dying attitude of the “old man”, of the flesh, which since the Fall, really has done nothing worth mentioning except die. Live the life which is (already) your in Christ. Have the attitude which is already yours in Christ.”
In other words, the awkward Greek makes no sense if we think it just means,” Have Christ's attitude,” but it makes way more sense if we adopt Dawg’s Patented View of Pauline Mysticism, specifically the idea that being grafted into Christ means that we are being remade from the inside out.
So, just to flog the dead horse even more, I think your guys managed to reduce a profound spiritual exhortation almost down to “Straighten up and fly right,” thus concealing a major aspect of Paul's teaching.
So there.
Thanks for setting the link.
I got irked in 4111 by caww, because the Rosary is one of the most meaningful of my prayers. The meditation on the mysteries, while keeping in mind my admiration for Mary, the way the mysteries are involved in my life, my children’s and grandchildrens lives, other times that the Rosary has been a source of blessing and comfort, as when my husband was dying and in my grief...
4111 was so shallow, meaningless, and dumb that I let myself get drawn into the discussion. I do not think any of the non-Catholic participants worry about the RF being a near occasion of sin, because they seem to look for ways to offend, but I realize that I shouldn’t participate due to the temptation factot. Have a good day, FRiend.
You gotta rule out “covergent evolution.”. Similarity is not sufficient to show shared origin. Both bats and birds have wings.
In any event, other religions practice initiatory “lustrations” and we’re not going to quit doing Baptisms because some pagan also washes.
My studies, FWIW, suggest that knotted string predates beads in Xtian usage, and that first the Rosary was paternosters.
The number of 150 was so that the illiterate could substitute their prayers for the Psalms sung by the “choir monks.”. Of course J2P2’s addition of 5 more mysteries broke the link with the Psalter.
I don’t know when and how the “Mysteries” were added. I do know that they are the heart of the Rosary, while the Ave’s are the flesh, the superficies.
(You do know that the word “bead” seems to be derived from “bede” - bid - pray(er).
I don’t know how far back in Xty knotted string goes. But the Rosary seems to have waited for a millennium to become “popular.”
Ah...
The old "saved by Faith" but...
"Kept by Works" scenario.
See above...
But...
any TRUE believer KNOWS that the Church’s carpet should be RED!
Interesting... Wasn't Obama a self-professed "late convert to christianity"? Convert from what?
Hmmmm... His father was a muslim, his stepfather was a muslim, he grew up in a muslim country and went to a muslim school in Indonesia... I wonder what religion (if any) they let their little child select to be while he was growin up in their muslim world?
Martin Luther, a failed Augustinian monk, misrepresented the Gospel in the fifteen hundreds.
He pulled Faith versus works out of thin air - or I could use a different phrase.
It is too easy and that is why Luther achieved a following. People seek the easy path.
so you won’t look at Phil 2:12-13.
Will James 2:14-24 convince anyone.
Martin Luther, a failed Augustinian monk, misrepresented the Gospel in the fifteen hundreds.
He pulled Faith versus works out of thin air - or I could use a different phrase.
It is too easy and that is why Luther achieved a following. People seek the easy path.
so you won’t look at Phil 2:12-13.
Will James 2:14-24 convince anyone.
sorry for the double post
Jesus was walking along one day, when He came upon a group of people surrounding a lady of ill repute. It was obvious that the crowd was preparing to stone her, so Jesus made His now-famous statement, "Let the person who has no sin cast the first stone."
The crowd was shamed and one by one began to turn away. All of a sudden, a lovely little woman made her way through the crowd. Finally getting to the front, she tossed a pebble towards the woman.
Jesus looks over and says, "I really hate it when you do that, Mom."
Yeah; that's the teaching; but the bible says that it's appointed unto man, once to die; and after that the judgement.
Why?
Hebrews 11:32-40
32 And what more shall I say? I do not have time to tell about Gideon, Barak, Samson and Jephthah, about David and Samuel and the prophets, 33 who through faith conquered kingdoms, administered justice, and gained what was promised; who shut the mouths of lions, 34 quenched the fury of the flames, and escaped the edge of the sword; whose weakness was turned to strength; and who became powerful in battle and routed foreign armies. 35 Women received back their dead, raised to life again. There were others who were tortured, refusing to be released so that they might gain an even better resurrection. 36 Some faced jeers and flogging, and even chains and imprisonment. 37 They were put to death by stoning;[e] they were sawed in two; they were killed by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated— 38 the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, living in caves and in holes in the ground.
39 These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised, 40 since God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect.
What? Did Sister Sadistical give you an F in reading comprehension? Poor thing.
I didn't say a thing about there not being any prayers to Christ of the Holy Spirit.
caww made the simple statement that there were 10 times more Hail Mary's than Our Fathers. Is that wrong? You didn't answer the question, but rather changed the subject into a personal attack.
Please do try to stay on topic and address the point. We're talking about *Hail Mary's* and *Our Fathers*. Is the number caww gave wrong?
There's no reason for a link to not post active when you don't use HTML. Since you didn't italicize anything or bold anything, I'm guessing you used the paragraph < p > markers. You didn't need to do that to have your post show up as it is and have the link work.
For those who do not have it memorized. ;>)
James 2:14-24
New King James Version (NKJV)
Faith Without Works Is Dead
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your[a] works, and I will show you my faith by my[b] works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?[c] 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”[d]And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
Here..... I simply copied and pasted the last part of your post without any HTML and the link will work.
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Is that incorrect, the numbers of each prayer? Incomplete.
Link?
http://www.rosary-center.org/howto.htm
Sorry, but you’ll have to cut and paste that into your browser, it doesn’t show as a link when using html in a reply
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