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To: reaganaut

So, again we ask you how do you KNOW it is the actual Holy Spirit and not a demon?


I know through personal experience, a knowledge that I can’t transmit to you or anyone else.

And besides,

Does a demon testify that Jesus Christ is the Son of God? Did a demon persuade me to put my trust in Jesus Christ for my salvation? Does a demon influence me to repent of my sins? Does a demon inspire me to try and help and serve and uplift my fellow men and women? Would a demon influence me to try and live according to the teachings of Jesus?

Best to you,

Normandy


48 posted on 07/25/2011 8:16:26 PM PDT by Normandy
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To: Normandy; aMorePerfectUnion; SZonian; Colofornian

And I know through personal experience that it isnt’ the Holy Ghost. Further, the Holy Ghost wouldn’t testify to things against the Bible and LDS teaching is contrary to the Bible.

Having had an LDS testimony, and having believed it was the HOly Ghost, then actually HAVING the Holy Ghost, after I believed in Christ for my salvation by grace alone, I testify to you that what you are feeling is a very cheap counterfeit.

Regarding your questions, yes it would, especially if it keeps you in a false church, believe in a false Christ, and rely on works rather than grace. A demon would rejoice in keeping you from a true knowledge of the Grace of Christ.

The LDS don’t live the teachings of Jesus, they live the teachings of Joseph Smith.


49 posted on 07/25/2011 8:33:51 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Normandy

Norm,
A demon will use a variety of ways to dissuade or confuse. The 10% rule is one that could be applied here. If the demon “persuades” you to follow the teachings of JS, et al, then he’s successful in that you are chasing down rabbit trails while at the same time missing the simpler and finer points of God’s grace. Ignoring the clear and simple gospel contained in the Bible.

A demon will do that. C.S. Lewis put it quite succinctly in the Screwtape Letters. A little bit of truth mixed in with a little bit of falsehood makes for a bitter recipe.

The BoM is a compilation of errors and deceptions designed to confuse and dissuade. It is replete with errors, lack of historical or archaeological evidence, or even the so-called “fullness of the gospel”, not including the lack of discussion or evidences of the temple ordinances.

The Christian God doesn’t hide His love or the requirements of salvation from His children as mormonism does (via the necessity of a temple recommend in order to attain celestial glory).

Blessings,
SZ


50 posted on 07/25/2011 9:17:11 PM PDT by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: Normandy
Does a demon testify that Jesus Christ is the Son of God?

Yes of course. The devil played marbles with Jesus in Heaven. Satan knows who He is better than any of us...

Did a demon persuade me to put my trust in the mormon jesus for my salvation?

Why not ??? Thats happened to millions of other mormons...whats so special about you ???

Does a demon influence me to repent of my sins?

Is that what happened ??? You dont know ??

Does a demon inspire me to try and help and serve and uplift my fellow men and women?

Now that works thingy sounds a lot like demons...totally against the Bible the way the mormons do it...

Would a demon influence me to try and live according to the teachings of Joey Smith ? (the mormon jesus doesnt have any teachings)

It worked didnt it ???

51 posted on 07/25/2011 9:32:37 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Normandy
I know through personal experience, a knowledge that I can’t transmit to you or anyone else.

Joseph Smith had a TEST to KNOW if a message came from GOD:

 Doctrine and Covenants       Section 129

 
Instructions given by Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, 9 February 1843, making known three grand keys by which the correct nature of ministering angels and spirits may be distinguished (see History of the Church, 5:267).

1–3, There are both resurrected and spirit bodies in heaven; 4–9, Keys are given whereby messengers from beyond the veil may be identified.
1 There are two kinds of beings in heaven, namely: Angels, who are resurrected personages, having bodies of flesh and bones;
2 For instance, Jesus said: Handle me and see, for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
3 Secondly: the spirits of just men made perfect, they who are not resurrected, but inherit the same glory.
4 When a messenger comes saying he has a message from God, offer him your hand and request him to shake hands with you.
5 If he be an angel he will do so, and you will feel his hand.
6 If he be the spirit of a just man made perfect he will come in his glory; for that is the only way he can appear;
7 Ask him to shake hands with you, but he will not move, because it is contrary to the order of heaven for a just man to deceive; but he will still deliver his message.
8 If it be the devil as an angel of light, when you ask him to shake hands he will offer you his hand, and you will not feel anything; you may therefore detect him.
9 These are three grand keys whereby you may know whether any administration is from God.

       Joseph Smith

53 posted on 07/26/2011 4:47:49 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Normandy

“I know through personal experience, a knowledge that I can’t transmit to you or anyone else.”

... Exactly. You DO NOT “KNOW” OBJECTIVELY. You feel it is true - apart from objective confirmation.

“Does a demon testify that Jesus Christ is the Son of God?”

... Sure, once he has convinced you that “Jesus Christ, Son of God” is the fake mormon Jesus that cannot save or redeem - a creature and not eternally God. Deception. You bought it.

“Did a demon persuade me to put my trust in Jesus Christ for my salvation?”

... Again, false Christ. False path of salvation. False gospel of works. Exactly opposite of what can save. Of course a demon would like to persuade you to trust a false Christ!

“Does a demon influence me to repent of my sins?”

... Sure. You are all worried about your sins and are swallowing the largest sin of all - pride of self effort and worthiness. Again, wrong Gospel.

“Does a demon inspire me to try and help and serve and uplift my fellow men and women?”

... Sure. A demon would love for you to spend your whole life proving your worthiness and in the end stand before God and hear Him say, “Depart from me! I never knew you. You rejected my Gospel of Grace and claimed your own worthiness.”

“Would a demon influence me to try and live according to the teachings of Jesus?”

... Sure. A demon would love to see you so wrapped up in your works of righteousness - which God calls “filthy rags” - that you don’t notice the real Gospel.

Normandy, the one piece of truth you miss is the Gospel of Grace of the real Jesus Christ. Without it, none of that matters. It’s nice, sure. It will ensure a trip to hell. I’d like to see better for you and all mormons.

ampu


60 posted on 07/26/2011 8:04:13 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (This message carfully checkd to misteakes by powerful softwhere)
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To: Normandy
Does a demon testify that Jesus Christ is the Son of God? NO.

Did a demon persuade me to put my trust in Jesus Christ for my salvation? NO.

Does a demon influence me to repent of my sins? NO.

Does a demon inspire me to try and help and serve and uplift my fellow men and women? NO.

Would a demon influence me to try and live according to the teachings of Jesus? NO.

I notice that those who are trying to shake your faith do not present their own (except in reciting safe generalizations), which is not unlike Obama criticizing Republican principles of governing without telling us what his principles of governing are (except in reciting safe generalizations designed to stir up animosity against his "enemies").

Those who continually attack Mormons as enemies of Christ are wasting the days of their probation. All Christians must eventually stand before the judgment seat of Christ regarding their service to Him or lack thereof. Better to do what one knows is pleasing to Him than only hoping that He will reward one for seeking to undermine the faith of others.

I have never been a member of the Mormon church. Since the Book of Mormon contains the fullness of the gospel, and secret temple rites such as baptism for the dead are not mentioned in the Book of Mormon, I believe that those are man-made ordinances that Christ does not approve of.

But I don't waste the days of my probation attacking Mormons, especially since I am convinced that the Book of Mormon itself is true.

62 posted on 07/26/2011 9:30:38 AM PDT by John McDonnell
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