Posted on 07/25/2011 10:34:37 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
“A much as I like you and appreciate your concern, I have to disagree with you. I have the witness of the Spirit that Joseph Smith was a servant of Jesus Christ — an instrument used by God to reveal His will.”
... You keep blaming the Holy Spirit for error! Yet you have admitted you cannot objectively know the truth because you are relying entirely on your feeling. Yet you do not know your “witness” is a demon. Amazingly, the demon has convinced you that Joseph Smith, a treasure scammer who defrauded his neighbors and a horndog who stole other men’s wives was a servant of Jesus Christ. While you claim this based on your feelings, you believe Christ was a creature who became a mormon god.
... ONLY A DEMON COULD CONVINCE YOU OF SUCH FALSEHOOD THAT CONTRADICTS THE BIBLE.
“I find the Book of Mormon to be a wonderful complement to the Bible — a second witness of the divinity and reality of Jesus Christ.”
... That which contradicts the Bible is not a “wonderful complement”, but a Satanic deception. You have given up on objective truth and set it aside to rely on feelings that are falsifiable.
... May God Himself through His Holy Spirit open your eyes to His Gospel of Grace and may demons be bound from your life Normandy.
ampu
Did a demon persuade me to put my trust in Jesus Christ for my salvation? NO.
Does a demon influence me to repent of my sins? NO.
Does a demon inspire me to try and help and serve and uplift my fellow men and women? NO.
Would a demon influence me to try and live according to the teachings of Jesus? NO.
I notice that those who are trying to shake your faith do not present their own (except in reciting safe generalizations), which is not unlike Obama criticizing Republican principles of governing without telling us what his principles of governing are (except in reciting safe generalizations designed to stir up animosity against his "enemies").
Those who continually attack Mormons as enemies of Christ are wasting the days of their probation. All Christians must eventually stand before the judgment seat of Christ regarding their service to Him or lack thereof. Better to do what one knows is pleasing to Him than only hoping that He will reward one for seeking to undermine the faith of others.
I have never been a member of the Mormon church. Since the Book of Mormon contains the fullness of the gospel, and secret temple rites such as baptism for the dead are not mentioned in the Book of Mormon, I believe that those are man-made ordinances that Christ does not approve of.
But I don't waste the days of my probation attacking Mormons, especially since I am convinced that the Book of Mormon itself is true.
Well hello Josh
are you still a member of the RLDS ???
Hi norm, millions (billions?) have similar 'witnesses' regarding their religious beliefs. Why should your 'witness' be superior to JWs and Moonies, etc 'witness' in regards to their religion?
How can a fictional work (bom) be a second witness norm?
Was Joseph Smith a polygamist?
The Savior said that blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. Matt:12:31-32
Can a man have the Holy Ghost and lose it? You bet. Anything given to man from God can be taken away through transgression.
What religious organization, if any, are you a member of? Or will your silence on this point prove mine, that those who attack the faith of other Christians carefully hide their own (except in reciting safe generalities)?
Ah yes, forgetting that smith attacked Christianity first to make room for his cult. Nor is it that mormonism is "Christian" - it isn't, just like SLC doesn't recognize RLDS/CoC roots to mormonism.
Really now John, Christians here come from nearly all denominations, and are united in identifying mormonism as not being Christian. So what "denomination" Nana is doesn't matter - what does is that it is Christian - not mormon.
Hi John,
Nice to hear from you. I know there are many non-Mormon Book of Mormon believers, but I’ve never come across any on FR until now.
Best regards,
Normandy
Ex-mormon who attends a Grace Chapel. I believe I've stated this numerous times.
But that's not really relevant now is it? Especially when it comes to rebutting the mormon claims/religion, since any of us who are not mormon belong to denominations that are an abomination and fell into apostasy.
One could argue that from the mormon perspective, we have no standing.
The BoM is unBiblical in the sense that Moroni Ch.10 exhorts prospects to seek "with a sincere heart" whether or not the BoM is true. Yet the Bible is clear, crysal clear in warning us about trusting our hearts. Jeremiah 17:9 and Proverbs 28:20 to name a couple.
Of course, since the Bible is held in lower disregard when compared to the Bible, I suppose those passages are not relevant.
Much of the discussion has centered around whether or not a spawn of satan is capable of deceiving using truth. We have posted numerous comments demonstrating how this is possible.
I note you have not addressed any of those topics, having instead, adopted a course of action trying to question the credibility of the posters, not the information. Which is of the course, (with Norm being an exception) the standard mormon response seen around here.
I notice that those who are trying to shake your faith do not present their own
Those who continually attack Mormons as enemies of Christ are wasting the days of their probation
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First, you have to be kidding. We often present our own, it isn’t in generalities either it is waht is important.
Secondly, this isn’t our probation, this is IT. And telling others of Salvation by grace and not works and of a false Gospel and a false Christ is not wasting our time in the least.
Question, while watching the video I posted, they mentioned something about the priesthood.
In it, it was mentioned that only those of the line of Aaron were considered priests in OT times. The BoM claims that Lehi was a priest and conferred the priesthood on his sons. Yet he was supposedly of the line of Joseph, not Aaron.
I’m not sure I understand the whole lineage thing, but if the claim (Lehi being a priest) in the BoM contradicts the OT law, then doesn’t this mean that the BoM is based on yet another false claim of authority?
The only ones who could serve as priest were those descendants of Aaron/Levi. As such, the bom contradicts OT law and is evidence of further fraud by Smith.
If you want to see more fraud concerning Nephi/Lehi cut and past this link -
http://www.josephsmithauthorbyproxy.com/
Normie
Joun is a mormon just like you...
There are no “non-mormon book of mormon believers”
Youre a non-Christian...
Do you believe the Bible ???
Christian marriage, based on the teachings of its founder, is monogamous. An evil man, Brigham Young, led the Mormon church into polygamy, based on a false "revelation" that he falsely claimed was through Joseph Smith, Jr., who condemned the practise through his own words and through the Book of Mormon he translated.
Despite secret temple marriage rites that are not a part of the fullness of the gospel taught in the Book of Mormon, Mormons now living have more of a reputation for happy monogamous marriages than those in many other denominations. One might see in that a fulfillment of Isaiah 1:18: "Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord; though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool." Jesus taught, "If you love me, keep my commandmants", which include monogamous marriage that Jesus did not want to see easily abandoned.
Jesus taught: "Not every one that saith unto Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of My Father Which is in heaven." There are evil Mormons, like Harry Reid, who are doing evil things to America. There are good Mormons, like Glenn Beck, who are doing good things for America (and for Israel).
I don't know what is motivating Harry Reid to do evil. But I do know what is motivating Glenn Beck to expose Spooky Dude and alert Americans concerning the evil designs of George Soros and his organizations. In the Book of Mormon, in the Book of Ether, is a divinely inspired warning concerning the rise of international secret combinations against freedom. I cannot read that passage without thinking of Glenn Beck, one of the few who are taking that passage seriously.
You are free to waste the days of your probation bad-mouthing "mormonism", but the coming of Christ is imminent when He will confront those who are supposed to be doing His work on Earth (Luke 12:35-48). I predict, based on the prophecies of Isaiah, that when Christ's church is cleansed and unified in His faith, many of those who are now Mormons will be greatly blessed and guided by the Holy Spirit to accomplish many great and marvelous works. You are wasting your time condemning them. Have you no fear concerning what is taught in Luke 12:35-48?
wasting the days of their probation
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Say what ???
Well thats not Biblical for sure
You didnt learn much the last time you were here John..
Much of your cultish rhetoric is the same
But you have a couple of things going for you...
as we discussed last time...
You guys are the ones who own the “temple lot”
and you lot did at least denounce polygamy for ever and not just for a wee Brucie McConkie while
Of course you still havent moved over in the Christian column though..
You appear to always drift back into focusing on works. Do you believe a murderer who stops his killing long enough to help an old lady accross the street, or stop a runaway baby carriage somehow cancels his sins to even a small degree?
Sorry I was acquitted by the Blood of the Lamb...
You are free to waste the days of your probation bad-mouthing “mormonism”, but the coming of Christ is imminent when He will confront those who are supposed to be doing His work on Earth
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Oh I doubt if the LORD Jesus Christ will be the least bit upset with me because I denounced the unGodly mormon practices of serial adultery for exaltation and pagan dead dunking of dead Christians..
What made you think He might ???
and as for “bad-mouthing” unBiblical heresies like mormonism, the LORD Jesus Chriust did a lot of that when He was here on Earth...
You yourself are free to continue to bash Christians..
Check my profile page - one can easily figure out my denomination from there.
Meanwhile, you single out one denomination that you can study just enough to attack, sloppily mixing its long-abandoned practises with current ones and using guilt by association as your weapon of choice.
Correction - single out a cult. Now with that said, such 'abandoned' practices were declared by the prophet to be eternal ordinances and other prophets declared that those same practices were to never be stopped. I guess that works for God until they come to arrest you - then you have another 'revelation'. Sum total of that history is to show false prophets leading simple minded people astray.
Are people condemned by God for being brought up in or otherwise joining a denomination that other denominations judge to be not Christian?
They can when they refuse to lay the doctrines of mormonism side by side with those of Christianity and see that their beliefs don't even exist in the same galaxy as Christianity.
Christian marriage, based on the teachings of its founder, is monogamous. An evil man, Brigham Young, led the Mormon church into polygamy, based on a false "revelation" that he falsely claimed was through Joseph Smith, Jr., who condemned the practise through his own words and through the Book of Mormon he translated.
BAaasswwwwwaaaahhahaha. Thanks John, I knew that would be something you would say. Facts are that smith was deep into polygamy and lead young into it. The evidence is overwhelming to those who are unafraid to review it.
Mormons now living have more of a reputation for happy monogamous marriages than those in many other denominations.
PR more than fact John.
You are free to waste the days of your probation bad-mouthing "mormonism", but the coming of Christ is imminent when He will confront those who are supposed to be doing His work on Earth (Luke 12:35-48).
As long a mormon doctrine refers to Christianity as the whore of babylon, and mormon missionaries the same, I will occupy my time challenging those doctrines.
Have you no fear concerning what is taught in Luke 12:35-48?
No, because I am a new creation in Christ. And I choose to follow the Apostles Paul, Peter and Jude in contending for the faith and identifying false prophets and teachers who would pretend to be Christian in order to lead those away to damnation. You should fear MT 7:23.
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