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To: John McDonnell; Tennessee Nana
Or will your silence on this point prove mine, that those who attack the faith of other Christians carefully hide their own (except in reciting safe generalities)?

Ah yes, forgetting that smith attacked Christianity first to make room for his cult. Nor is it that mormonism is "Christian" - it isn't, just like SLC doesn't recognize RLDS/CoC roots to mormonism.

Really now John, Christians here come from nearly all denominations, and are united in identifying mormonism as not being Christian. So what "denomination" Nana is doesn't matter - what does is that it is Christian - not mormon.

68 posted on 07/26/2011 10:50:09 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla
You hide your denominations because you don't want to be linked to anything that might be criticized. Meanwhile, you single out one denomination that you can study just enough to attack, sloppily mixing its long-abandoned practises with current ones and using guilt by association as your weapon of choice. Are people condemned by God for being brought up in or otherwise joining a denomination that other denominations judge to be not Christian?

Christian marriage, based on the teachings of its founder, is monogamous. An evil man, Brigham Young, led the Mormon church into polygamy, based on a false "revelation" that he falsely claimed was through Joseph Smith, Jr., who condemned the practise through his own words and through the Book of Mormon he translated.

Despite secret temple marriage rites that are not a part of the fullness of the gospel taught in the Book of Mormon, Mormons now living have more of a reputation for happy monogamous marriages than those in many other denominations. One might see in that a fulfillment of Isaiah 1:18: "Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord; though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool." Jesus taught, "If you love me, keep my commandmants", which include monogamous marriage that Jesus did not want to see easily abandoned.

Jesus taught: "Not every one that saith unto Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of My Father Which is in heaven." There are evil Mormons, like Harry Reid, who are doing evil things to America. There are good Mormons, like Glenn Beck, who are doing good things for America (and for Israel).

I don't know what is motivating Harry Reid to do evil. But I do know what is motivating Glenn Beck to expose Spooky Dude and alert Americans concerning the evil designs of George Soros and his organizations. In the Book of Mormon, in the Book of Ether, is a divinely inspired warning concerning the rise of international secret combinations against freedom. I cannot read that passage without thinking of Glenn Beck, one of the few who are taking that passage seriously.

You are free to waste the days of your probation bad-mouthing "mormonism", but the coming of Christ is imminent when He will confront those who are supposed to be doing His work on Earth (Luke 12:35-48). I predict, based on the prophecies of Isaiah, that when Christ's church is cleansed and unified in His faith, many of those who are now Mormons will be greatly blessed and guided by the Holy Spirit to accomplish many great and marvelous works. You are wasting your time condemning them. Have you no fear concerning what is taught in Luke 12:35-48?

75 posted on 07/26/2011 12:54:51 PM PDT by John McDonnell
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To: Godzilla
Ah yes, forgetting that smith attacked Christianity first to make room for his cult.

Joseph Smith continues: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (, p.270).
 
Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (, p. 119).
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" ( 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" ( 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" ( 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (, vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" ( 10:230).
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (, p. 255).
 
Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (, 18:172).
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (, vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (, 10:127).
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (, p.182).
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (, vol. 3, p.282).
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (, p.316).
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (, vol. 2, p.196).
 

107 posted on 07/26/2011 4:56:21 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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