Posted on 07/16/2011 7:24:33 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
In response to whether the public should vote for a Mormon for president, one should know what beliefs a candidate had.
Mitt Romney and Jon Huntsman have Mormon roots and they have been vague about their beliefs and loyalty to the LDS church.
Mormon theology includes ideas like their priesthood brethren will become the government leaders, or future kings of the world, in a globalized theocracy, and that their male leaders will take over when a second coming of Christ occurs. They believe they are the pre-ordained leaders to rule over a coming theocratic kingdom.
Worthy Mormon males are temple attending, dressing in white with special learned handshakes, altar rituals, Masonic rites and gestures and do secretive activities different from normal society.
They believe they are the future gods of new worlds in a life after this one. They follow prophets with ever-changing doctrine and change their fictional "Book of Mormon" every time it is found to be un-politically correct.
Their women are taught they are good for breeding, to have large families.
A member of this cult is loyal to its church leaders and to whatever their modern prophets tell them is gospel, which changes at their will.
They claim to be Christian, but Mormon polytheism of many gods/goddesses in a hereafter, rituals that must be performed in their temples, garment wearing and works (not grace) that saves a person is different ideology.
It is debatable whether Mormons are Christians, and they have other scriptures special to Mormonism written by their leaders, not just the New Testament, like their Doctrine and Covenants and Book of Mormon.
To learn about them and their practices, beliefs and personal character will help us determine whether they are the future leaders of Americans. Or are they really stuck in their controversial past?
You are so BORED that you just HAD to chime in?
How LONG have you been a Christian?
How long have you been a Conservative?
MAdam; you have spoken for 100% of us on FR.
That said; I'm going to try VERY hard to make sure it is NOT 'practicesd' in the Oval Office!
That and because when he isn't fighting Christians and defending Mormonism, he has repeatedly posted that he is a "cradle Catholic".
Self?
It was posted from FR's rules...
5/6 Beast
I dunno....Just big hard rocks..is what I’ve always called them.
And expert opinion from a geologist is that those rocks are more likely known as leaverite. Leaverite there or you have a hole in your yard.
In 2008, in the Utah Primary, the Mormon voters picked a candidate with a platform that was decidedly conservative. No doubt they had a different opinion of the believability of that candidate than many freepers did.
In general, the mormon vote is more conservative as a whole than any other easily identified religious group. More than Catholics. More than Protestants. Certainly more than Jews. All those groups also have been known to vote for people of their own religion sometimes, rather than say the most conservative candidate.
In the political arena, the Mormons were instrumental in defeating Gay marriage in California. In the political arena, the Mormons, as voters, are reliable social conservative allies. Even if they break ranks when the occasional Mormon is running as a democrat, they are still strong supporters of social conservative candidates in thousands of elections.
We ostracize and ridicule the political alliance of the LDS rank-and-file at the peril of our own conservative candidates. Sharon Angle understood that, and sought to distance herself from the religious comments of her ex-pastor.
As I’ve said many times — don’t vote for a Mormon if it makes you uncomfortable. But let’s not drive away the LDS voter by calling them names and pushing them out of the conservative coalition. There are those here who would create a conservative minority in the pursuit of religious purity.
I choose to be political allies with Catholics, Baptists, Jews, and yes, even Mormons who will vote conservative and support conservative candidates. I don’t agree with any of these people on all matters of faith (some much more than others) — but this is a political site, and we are discussing political things, and I have a strong feeling that Sarah Palin would welcome LDS members to vote for her.
Protestant is almost a catch all phrase for the majority of Americans and diverse almost beyond description, it is not really an easily identified religious group like the tiny cult of Mormon, or the single church of Catholic, white Evangelicals is large and they are from different denominations, but at least they have a lot in common with each other.
Mormons are so tiny that it many cases we can't even find voting data for them.
It's up to you to point out who's "name-calling" vs. generically insinuating we are...which in itself can be a form of name-calling.
Frankly it's the Mormons who engage in DAILY, never-ending "name-calling" by labeling us Christians "apostates"...which, Chuck, for once, I guess I'd like to see you address with Mormons...which, somehow, you conveniently avoid.
Tell me honestly, Charles, why I've NEVER seen you -- a supposed "Presbyterian" -- addressing the following Mormons "scriptures" despite your presence on Numerous Mormon threads since at least 2008? What? Isn't your Presbyterianism worth defending?
Joseph Smith's "first vision" -- which Mormons have deemed "scripture":
19I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were...
...ALL wrong;
and the Personage who addressed me said that
ALL their creeds were an abomination in his sight;
that those professors were ALL corrupt;
that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
20He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.” (Pearl of Great Price, vv. 18-20 of Joseph Smith History)
Please tell us, Charles, why isn't the reverse of what you say is true? What if we actually had a true conservative Mormon POTUS candidate (unlike Romney & Huntsman, who aren't)? Wouldn't it be a bit relevant for a hypothetical TRUE conservative Mormon candidate to stop the name-calling if he/she doesn't want to chase away the base support?
When are you going to actually stand up for your Presbyterianism publicly on these threads, Charles?...versus bending over backwards to constantly accommodate the Joseph Smith Mormon "scriptural" claim that: “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.” (v. 20)
What? You don't think that an eventual TRUE conservative Mormon candidate won't "ostracize" more than a few Presbyterian GOP voters by claiming that's what his gods think of all Presbyterians? (And like to spread that slander around the world?)
There are those here who would create a conservative minority in the pursuit of religious purity.
No, there's actually some people who think their Christianity is worth defending in the public square. And that when Jude said to "contend for the faith once delivered to the saints" (Jude 3) he didn't mean to play tiddlely-winks in the corner while the Presbyterian USA (which I know you're not) ordain homosexuals without enough feedback from their Presbyterian brothers on that matter...all as most of the rest of the Presbyterians seemingly fail to give rip when the Mormons publish that line in over 100 languages and spread that nonsense daily.
Tell me Chuck, have you EVER asked for feedback from a Mormon on those verses on these threads? You've given us fellow Christians countless feedback re: our comments on Mormons. Don't you think you've handled this in a bit of a lopsided manner?
“That said; I’m going to try VERY hard to make sure it (Mormonism) is NOT ‘practicesd’ in the Oval Office!”
Amen to that! Ideally, no religion at all would be “practiced” in the Oval Office. Whomever sits there should defend the Constitution 100%, and if that occurs, then we will all retain the right to pracice our respective religions in peace and without fear.
Since the Muslim “religion” actually teaches annhilating those who aren’t Muslim, that changes the game. The fact that we have a Muslim in office now is truly terrifying. In Obama’s book, “The Audacity of Hope”, he states, “When the ill winds blow, I will always stand with the Muslims.”
That’s why I’m hoping for Sarah to run/win in 2012. Although she has strong conservative religious beliefs, when governing Alaska she, at times, would go against her own belifs and rule in accordance with written law. Some of those rulings aren’t real popular with conservatives, but she gets it. I want someone in the Oval Office who loves and defends America and the Constitution; if that happens, then everything will fall into place and America will thrive again.
I had this bump of a rock that was a wee bit too high to mow over and too pesky to mow around; so I decided to get it out of the ground.
After all; how hard could it be, as it was only the size of an LP record or so.
Yup; it was leaverite!
I now have a boulder about 2 feet in diameter that I have to mow around!
(We have LOTS of illegal alien rocks in the soil here in central Indiana. They came in a mass migration from Canada about 10-12,000 years ago. We grow a GREAT crop every time we plow!)
PART of it sure ain't!
Amen, Sister!
GO Sarah!
Thank you for your opinion. As you can see, others differ.
I guess it has escaped your notice Charles, that this is a Religion Forum on a political site and we are discussing religious things...
(Yeah, we'll let you know when the Anti-Christ pops up and what his campaign promises are as well as your "Satanist." I'm sure they'll both "best" Obama on what those "promises" entail...and you be sure with all that savvy discernment that's just bustin' out all over from you to let us know at that time how all-impressed you'll be from those goose bumps poppin' up on you 'bout those candidates...)
And, btw, you might wanna have a ready-made explanation to that Holy One upstairs as to why you were investing in elevating the reputation and power of Satanists during your short time on earth.
I'm really not sure that Satanists are counting on very many FREEPER endorsements like yours. I do suggest you note that phrase on this site that says, "Welcome to Free Republic, America's exclusive site for God, Family, Country, Life & Liberty conservatives!"
(I'm not too sure that the site host would appreciate your veiled attempt to reword that to be, "Welcome to Free Republic, America's exclusive site for God, Satan's reps, etc.")
It’s the Anthon transcript I read about a while back. People have shown it contains nothing but various letters from a modern alphabet and some mathematical and typesetting notations.
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