Posted on 07/16/2011 7:24:33 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
In response to whether the public should vote for a Mormon for president, one should know what beliefs a candidate had.
Mitt Romney and Jon Huntsman have Mormon roots and they have been vague about their beliefs and loyalty to the LDS church.
Mormon theology includes ideas like their priesthood brethren will become the government leaders, or future kings of the world, in a globalized theocracy, and that their male leaders will take over when a second coming of Christ occurs. They believe they are the pre-ordained leaders to rule over a coming theocratic kingdom.
Worthy Mormon males are temple attending, dressing in white with special learned handshakes, altar rituals, Masonic rites and gestures and do secretive activities different from normal society.
They believe they are the future gods of new worlds in a life after this one. They follow prophets with ever-changing doctrine and change their fictional "Book of Mormon" every time it is found to be un-politically correct.
Their women are taught they are good for breeding, to have large families.
A member of this cult is loyal to its church leaders and to whatever their modern prophets tell them is gospel, which changes at their will.
They claim to be Christian, but Mormon polytheism of many gods/goddesses in a hereafter, rituals that must be performed in their temples, garment wearing and works (not grace) that saves a person is different ideology.
It is debatable whether Mormons are Christians, and they have other scriptures special to Mormonism written by their leaders, not just the New Testament, like their Doctrine and Covenants and Book of Mormon.
To learn about them and their practices, beliefs and personal character will help us determine whether they are the future leaders of Americans. Or are they really stuck in their controversial past?
The best bet for this country is INSURING that Romney does not get the nomination or even close.
Thank you.
are you really that thick that you can’t understand opposition to zero is not support for romney????
you never answered my question, i’ll rephrase it. if heaven forbid, romney is the nominee against zero, will you join me and mark levin in voting for romney to defeat zero or do you not vote, which is the same as voting for zero???
agreed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Starlifter was attributing something to Ansel that Ansel did not say. He did not, in his post say Catholics were not Christians.
You keep pushing Romney on us by continuing to bring up what you see as the last ditch defense for him, ‘what if Mitt Romney wins the Republican primary’.
Here is how the owner responded to the question that you keep asking (and pushing) and which I think that I have answered.
>”Then the leftist SOB should do the right thing and just bow the hell OUT!! If you intend on supporting this socialist/abortionist POS, you should find a new home on the web. FR totally rejects Romney and any of his supporters!
FR is a pro-life, pro-family, pro-liberty site and will remain such! RINOs be damned!!
If you want to surrender your freedom to the idiot that joined with Kennedy to rape Massachusetts, be my guest, but do it elsewhere!!
Rebellion is brewing!! Those weaklings who can’t stomach it should bail out now!!
DONT TREAD ON ME!!
136 posted on Tuesday, June 07, 2011 12:57:54 PM by Jim Robinson “<
Kid you never said you were in the river with a boat...
You just said a boat, a leg, a decision to cut or not to cut...
OK lets make it an alligator...
Many Catholics do not seem to realized that the Catholic church teaches that Mormonism is not a Christian religion.
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Interesting note regarding this. If a person was baptized Lutheran, Methodist, Evangelical, Presbyterian, or any other Christian church as either an infant or adult, the Catholic church will accept their baptism for conversion.
However, if someone was only ever baptized Mormon, then the Catholic church requires re-baptism in order to convert.
That distinction there should make any Catholic reconsider the meme that the LDS are Christians.
When they show up at our door, I invite them over for dinner at some date. This way I have a captive audience for 2 hours (they set aside the whole evening and are always starving). I don’t let them pray and they are too polite to leave abruptly after being fed. Plus they dont’ have the excuse that they need to be somewhere else.
read my post #109 and stop with your support for romney slur.
LOL!
“I Will Be a Second Mohammed”
In the heat of the Missouri “Mormon War” of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim, “I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’ ”[1]
It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some striking—and troubling—parallels. Consider the following.
Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated. Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.[2]
Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable.
In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer.
Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.
Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new “spin.” In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and characters—but he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to “correct” the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the “Inspired Version,” in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is “correcting” it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.
As a part of their new scriptural “spin,” both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bible—by name.
Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim. “I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book.”[3]
Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophet’s own superior revelation.
Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered “infidels,” pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.
Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.
Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammed’s followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, believe Mohammed’s son was to be their next leader. Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smith’s followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smith’s own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.
Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison,
Joseph Smith also made the following claim.
“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”[4]
In light of these parallels, perhaps Joseph Smith’s claim to be a second Mohammed unwittingly became his most genuine prophecy of all.
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[1] Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230–231. Fawn Brodie’s footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. “Except where noted, all the details of this chapter [16] are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 57–9, 97–129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.”
[2] John Ankerberg & John Weldon, The Facts on Islam, (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1998), pp.8–9. Eric Johnson, Joseph Smith & Muhammed, (El Cajon, CA: Mormonism Research Ministry, 1998), pp. 6–7.
[3] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.4, pp.461.
[4] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.6, pp.408–409.
(Decker, Ed, My Kingdom Come: The Mormon Quest for Godhood, Xulon Press, 2007)
great idea, have you ever broken through to them?
This is your post 109.
>”Romney might lose, but it won’t be do to me. Don’t get me wrong, i would rather our nominee be Perry, Bachmann, Santorum, even T-Paw before Romney. You will never veto proof Senate and House, we need the presidency.”<
After post, after post, after post, after post, of you telling us that you would vote for Romney, and will vote for him if he wins the primary, and after mocking me for not being willing to do that, you are suddenly saying now that you will not vote for Mitt Romney?
i would never vote for the RINO ROMNEY in the primary. however, i will join mark levin in voting for him in the general if it is the only way to stop zero’s reelection. what would you do???????
the LDS have been looking forward to a Mormon president ever since Joseph Smith was running in 1844.
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The Mormons already have a Mormon president in Barry Dunham-Soetoro
Barry’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham was dead dunked into the Mormon religion in June 2008..full dunk with honors and extras that usually a living profit would get while he oshe is still alive...
Then she had “endowments” “temple thingies”, probably “marriages” to strangers.. other weird ritualistic stuff that does not relate to Christianity
and then SEALINGS to her 2 children BARRY and his sister whoseit..
making them both full temple Mormons TBMs
Now since all the Mormons recognize and believe that by dead dunking a dead person you get a new Mormon and by sealing that same dead new Mormon to his or her family members they become Mormons also, Mormons would have to denounce their own beliefs to get Barry unsealed to his Momma and unMormonized
Oh and hes in the PRIESTHOOD TOO..
a BROTHER TO TOMMY MONSON and WILLIARD MITT ROMNEY
Oh joy... tears all around
Hanky ???
I defy any Mormon to dare say Barry is not a Mormon...
CRICKETS
:)
Still pushing Romney, I agree with JR, I’m not voting for Romney.
I haven’t seen anyone push him as hard as you are, in a very long time.
You don’t think a Mormon would switch party lines to vote for another Mormon? You don’t know Mormonism very well.
Mormons place their trust in other Mormons over ‘gentiles’, and that extends to voting.
One is Satanist the other is Islam.....but I repeat myself.
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And how is Mormonism different?
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