Been there. Done that. Got the t-shirt.
"Famed" theologian...........or infamous theologian.......??
Nice touch from the "Distorter".
This meeting was essentially an exercise in nostalgia for the 60-something and 70-something "spirit (small "s") of Vatican II" types.
Form your own religion if you know so much.
Absolutism, like bishops not allowing TLMs, etc.?
Agreed. One of the self-absorbed hippies that are out to murder our Church
And how would Hans Kung and his crowd react to those who revolted against their authority at the local level? Oh wait, after 40 years we know the answer!
I’m always astonished when anyone, but especially a “Catholic”, cites the French Revolution as a positive example.
Time for the hippies of the world to say goodbye.
I hope Kung repents before the end.
God runs things top down.
Fr. Hans is 500 years late for the revolution.
If he doesn’t like the way the Church operates (and has operated for a couple of millennia), there is nothing stopping him from joining a church with no Pope and, I assume, no hierarchy. Would that be the Baptists? I don’t know know enough about it to guess. But no one is holding a gun to his head and forcing him to continue to be a Catholic priest. This is like the “Catholics” who agitate for female priests, or abortion rights. They are simply not Catholics.
Been there. Done that. Got the t-shirt.
See, I don’t understand this sort of thing.
We no longer really have state churches, and in most places with a large Catholic population there is religious freedom - and in those places with a significant Catholic population and no freedom, like China, they certainly aren’t out to keep Catholics Catholic - so if someone has a beef, they can just walk over to the next church/temple/mosque down the road. In this case Kung could just become an Episcopalian and have a church tailor-made to his desires.
We Baptists were never part of Rome... so we don’t have a dog in that fight.
Perhaps Fr. Kung has spent too much time watching and reflecting on the Showtime series, “The Borgias” and decided that 16th Century decadence needed to be reined in. Guess he missed that part of history called the Protestant Reformation. Despite its human failings, the Catholic Church has survived crises, schism, wars and other messes, yet it has remained a strong institution for over 2000 years. Fr. Kung is irrelevant.
It’s been, what, 31 years since he made his “stand” and lost. Perhaps the more apt term might be “bitter,” rather than famous. Either way, I’ll pray for the guy. He’s liable to meet his maker soon, and even with all the hooey he spouts, it’s preferable that he recants and seeks forgiveness.
You’re right, marshmallow. From all accounts, a sad gathering of folks determined not to seek God’s way, but their poorly perceived one.
I thought at one point about suggesting Mr. Kung joining the OC’s (”old catholic church” - heretics and sede vacantists), but to be completely honest, anymore, I feel it’s much more a shame than an occasion for my feeble sarcasm.
The nicest thing I can think of to say about him is that he used to get invited to all the right parties.
I thought he was dead. Some of these people just seem to never go away, no matter how bored we all are with them. Maybe he’s a zombie.
"In case you, dear reader, are not aware, [the] "Biological Solution" is the traditionalist Catholic notion that the "liberals" will eventually all die, and the Church will belong to them.""Biological Solution"
The most famous person to be a peritus for the Second Vatican Council seems to be the man who became Pope Benedict XVI.
Now I will ask, why on earth a young man of 34 was appointed as an EXPERT theologian to the council itself?
Well, the answer is quite obvious: the people who were pressing for change-at-any-cost stacked the deck by appointing a lad who had hardly even started his academic career as a theologian.
While Father Joseph Ratzinger was young, he a peritus only for a bishop - not for the Church herself. More importantly, he was not suggesting the massive upheaval that Kung was suggesting.
How absurd to have a young man advise you on whether or not to up-end the fabric of the Church.
The most famous person to be a peritus for the Second Vatican Council seems to be the man who became Pope Benedict XVI.
Now I will ask, why on earth Kung - a young man of 34 - was appointed as an EXPERT theologian to the council itself?
Well, the answer is quite obvious: the people who were pressing for change-at-any-cost stacked the deck by appointing a lad who had hardly even started his academic career as a theologian.
While Father Joseph Ratzinger was young, he a peritus only for a bishop - not for the Church herself. More importantly, he was not suggesting the massive upheaval that Kung was suggesting.
How absurd to have a young man advise you on whether or not to up-end the fabric of the Church.