Been there. Done that. Got the t-shirt.
Posted on 06/13/2011 11:11:30 AM PDT by marshmallow
DETROIT -- Famed theologian Fr. Hans Kung has called for a “peaceful” revolution by world Catholics against the absolutism of papal power.
He made the call in a video message June 10, the first evening of a conference in Detroit of the American Catholic Council.
“I think few people realize how powerful the pope is,” Kung said, likening papal power today to the absolute power of French monarchs that the French people revolted against in 1789.
“We have to change an absolutist system without the French Revolution,” he said. “We have to have peaceful change.”
Kung, who was perhaps the most famous of the theological experts at the Second Vatican Council nearly 50 years ago, was born in Switzerland but spent most of his life teaching at the University of Tubingen, Germany.
Now 83, Kung is ecumenical professor emeritus at Tubingen and rarely travels for health reasons, so his message to the ACC was delivered in the form of a half-hour videotaped interview with American theologian Anthony T. Padovano, conducted last year at Kung’s home.
John Hushon, co-chairman of the ACC, said the conference, being held June 10-12 at Detroit’s Cobo Hall had more than 1,800 registered participants, from at least 44 states and 13 foreign countries.
In the interview with Kung, played on two giant screens in one of the convention center’s main rooms, the theologian predicted change in the church despite resistance from Rome. Vatican II “was a great success, but only 50 percent, he said.
On the one hand, he said, many reforms were realized, including renewal in the liturgy, a new appreciation of Scripture, and other significant changes such as recognition of the importance of the laity and the local church and various changes in church discipline.
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"Famed" theologian...........or infamous theologian.......??
Nice touch from the "Distorter".
This meeting was essentially an exercise in nostalgia for the 60-something and 70-something "spirit (small "s") of Vatican II" types.
Form your own religion if you know so much.
Absolutism, like bishops not allowing TLMs, etc.?
Agreed. One of the self-absorbed hippies that are out to murder our Church
+1.
And how would Hans Kung and his crowd react to those who revolted against their authority at the local level? Oh wait, after 40 years we know the answer!
I’m always astonished when anyone, but especially a “Catholic”, cites the French Revolution as a positive example.
Time for the hippies of the world to say goodbye.
I hope Kung repents before the end.
God runs things top down.
Fr. Hans is 500 years late for the revolution.
If he doesn’t like the way the Church operates (and has operated for a couple of millennia), there is nothing stopping him from joining a church with no Pope and, I assume, no hierarchy. Would that be the Baptists? I don’t know know enough about it to guess. But no one is holding a gun to his head and forcing him to continue to be a Catholic priest. This is like the “Catholics” who agitate for female priests, or abortion rights. They are simply not Catholics.
Been there. Done that. Got the t-shirt.
See, I don’t understand this sort of thing.
We no longer really have state churches, and in most places with a large Catholic population there is religious freedom - and in those places with a significant Catholic population and no freedom, like China, they certainly aren’t out to keep Catholics Catholic - so if someone has a beef, they can just walk over to the next church/temple/mosque down the road. In this case Kung could just become an Episcopalian and have a church tailor-made to his desires.
We Baptists were never part of Rome... so we don’t have a dog in that fight.
Perhaps Fr. Kung has spent too much time watching and reflecting on the Showtime series, “The Borgias” and decided that 16th Century decadence needed to be reined in. Guess he missed that part of history called the Protestant Reformation. Despite its human failings, the Catholic Church has survived crises, schism, wars and other messes, yet it has remained a strong institution for over 2000 years. Fr. Kung is irrelevant.
It’s been, what, 31 years since he made his “stand” and lost. Perhaps the more apt term might be “bitter,” rather than famous. Either way, I’ll pray for the guy. He’s liable to meet his maker soon, and even with all the hooey he spouts, it’s preferable that he recants and seeks forgiveness.
You’re right, marshmallow. From all accounts, a sad gathering of folks determined not to seek God’s way, but their poorly perceived one.
I thought at one point about suggesting Mr. Kung joining the OC’s (”old catholic church” - heretics and sede vacantists), but to be completely honest, anymore, I feel it’s much more a shame than an occasion for my feeble sarcasm.
The nicest thing I can think of to say about him is that he used to get invited to all the right parties.
I thought he was dead. Some of these people just seem to never go away, no matter how bored we all are with them. Maybe he’s a zombie.
ROTFLMAO.
Even A W Pink the Theosophical Society Baptist theologian knew the BS about originating with John the Baptist was a bad joke just like Dispensationalism and Landmarkism. Obviously, though, those who believe in Sola Yourselfa can claim the same sort of interpretive approach when they deal with history since truth is relative for them the same way it is for all their fellow Humanists.
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