Posted on 05/21/2011 4:46:26 AM PDT by marbren
Camping is a victim of replacement theology. IMHO the lie of replacement theology is almost as insidious as idolatry. The key to holistic understanding of Bible prophecy is to understand the role of Israel in it. God keeps his promises to Israel. This is a model to the rest of us that he will keep his promises to us as well.
A majority of the church going world has been victimized. I believed the lie for 35 years. During the past 20 I have been seeking the truth and only recently did I stop saying IMHO replacement theology is a lie and replaced it with: Replacement theology is a lie dropping the IMHO. For those that do not know, Replacement theology is the lie that the Church has replaced Israel in God’s plan.
The church was polluted by Replacement theology early on. Origen and Augustine, early Fathers of the church, were the first to muddy up the scriptures in this way when they arrogantly took on the mantle of Israel for themselves. Martin Luther apparently did not study it and this lead to his anti-Semitism and Hitler. In many ways IMHO it is like a reverse of the circumcision party that led to Acts 15.
This replacement theology lie has lead to the church we have today. Everyone is running around not knowing what is happening in these end times we are in. The truth is The Church, the Bride of Christ, has a role and Israel has a role. Think of men and women, children and parents, husbands and wives, angels and people, dogs and cats, sheep and goats, wheat and tares. All these have roles God invented.
So the solution: Open your Bible, drop your preconceived notions and open your mind, ask God to reveal the truth about all this Israel stuff written in the Bible. The Lord Jesus Christ is central in it all. Gods Grace and Mercy is incredible, He does all the work. Faith and hope and love permeate the entire Bible and the greatest of these is love.
care to name some early church fathers you are referring to, who weren’t Catholic?
this should be good.
And I suppose you also think He was a wooden door. "I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture." (John 10:9).
That's goofy...Unless Latin is your only language, you will translate the Latin into your native tongue and come up with your own translation...
come on, don’t cop out on me Pope CynicalBear. you know you can’t answer a question with a question. if you aren’t the authority and the Scriptures are, what did Jesus mean according to the Scriptures? you are up.
Just where does Jesus teach that all tradition is to be judged by its conformity to scripture? Remember that during His earthly ministry the Nt Bile had not been written unless camping declared otherwise. When Jesus or the apostles or early church fathers refer to scripture it is invariably the OT
Jesus left us the magisterium to interpret scripture and for 2000 years it has served as He intended while you have Camping . Some difference.
To read the early church fathers is to affirm the validity of the Catholic church. Cyril remarks in no way affirm the validity the Sola or SOLO scriptura nonsense unless you can find a reference where he is sneaking into a baptist or evangelical house of heresy.
It might be wise to stop reading the early church fathers lest you find yourself on the Road to Rome . Perhaps the Age of Miracles is not over.
Amen! Funny how hard it is to lead a dried-up horse to water when you also have to convince him he’s thirsty!
What are you talking about??? God repeatedly disciplined Israel all throughout their existence for periods of sin and disobedience. Jesus cursed the fig tree, as a symbol of Israel and carried it out by dispersing them throughout the world. Contrary to your dreams and wishes that Jesus, Who, by the way is God and therefore not subject to the laws He puts on man, would send all Jews to hell and replace the Jews with the Church, it hasn't happened and never will happen.
stop playing the game liberals play and try and silence me with false charges of anti-semitism, homey don’t play that game.
Stop acting like an anti-Semite and you won't be called one. Stop denying the Scripture that wrecks your dreams of the Jews being discarded by God and you won't give the impression that you are an anti-Semite. The fact that someone may think you're an anti-Semite is on you. Start by accepting what God said about His chosen people and you won't give people an impression that you don't want them to have.
you still haven’t answered what does “all Israel being saved” mean to you. wasn’t my 17th century rabbi, who you had to admit is in hell, wasn’t he part of Israel and therefore in your mind, heir to all the promises made in the OT?
Think about what you just wrote and then try to remember what I said to you. I said that God said that the Tribulation is the "time of Jacob's trouble". The Tribulation is the time when God purifies Israel so that He can bring her back into a relationship with Himself and give her the blessings He has for her.
So, if the Tribulation, which will purify Israel, hasn't happened yet, then that must mean that any Jew who died between the time of Jesus' resurrection and the end of the Tribulation and did not know Christ is in hell along with all other dead unsaved people.
This isn't hard to grasp but you have to believe Scripture in order to get it. You have a bad habit of denying the word of God, so until you fix that problem, you're not going to understand what God says about anything.
if i am right, ‘all Israel will be saved” means the Church made up of all believers OT and NT, Jew and Gentile.
if you are right “all Israel will be saved” means the Jewish people, then all Jews will go to heaven and none will be in hell. all means all right? yet, you stated the 17th century unbelieving rabbi is in hell. wasn’t he part of Israel?
i never said God discarded the Jews. He treats them just like the Irish, Germans and Japanese. Have i not said this over and over? I guess God also discared these ethnic groups as well.
BTW- Thanks for telling me Jesus is God.
No, because when "all Israel" is saved, the Church Age will be over. The Church Age ends at the Rapture. The world then goes through the seven year Tribulation and then the Millennial Kingdom begins. The people who accept Christ during the Tribulation will be believers, but they will not be part of the Church. Likewise, the remnant of Jews who become saved during the Tribulation will not be part of the Church, but they will still be believers in Christ.
if you are right “all Israel will be saved” means the Jewish people, then all Jews will go to heaven and none will be in hell. all means all right? yet, you stated the 17th century unbelieving rabbi is in hell. wasn’t he part of Israel?
See previous paragraph. Anyone who dies during this present Age without Christ spends eternity in hell. There is one more chance for salvation during the Tribulation, but the people who are saved during that time are not part of the Church.
i never said God discarded the Jews. He treats them just like the Irish, Germans and Japanese. Have i not said this over and over? I guess God also discared these ethnic groups as well.
BTW- Thanks for telling me Jesus is God.
i never said God discarded the Jews. He treats them just like the Irish, Germans and Japanese. Have i not said this over and over? I guess God also discared these ethnic groups as well.
BTW- Thanks for telling me Jesus is God.
You said that there is nothing special about Israel and you attempted to equate Israel with every other nation in the world which requires a deliberate denial of the Scripture, which was posted for you, which states that Israel is not the same as every other nation but in fact was created by God for specific purposes and is and will be the recipient of blessings by God which no other nation will receive.
So no, God does not treat the Jews just like the Irish, the Germans and the Japanese. Israel is the only nation with whom God has made covenants and Israel is the only nation for whom God is going to judge the nations for dividing the land of Israel.
Israel is special, it is especially beloved by God, and has a special relationship with God. Of course, God has made demands on the Jews that He does not make of any other nation. Israel is unique and unlike any other nation.
Satan does not care much about Irish, Germans and Japanese. Satan Hates the Jews.
again, your last post makes no sense. you don’t realize the Church is the Body of Christ and all those that are saved must be in that Body or they are not saved. The reason is that Body has already suffered, died and rose again. If you aren’t in that Body, you are still an enemy of God and will suffer eternal punishment. For a Jew to be at peace with God, they must believe on Jesus and be baptized for the remission of their sins, then they will be part of the true Israel of God. This applies to all Gentiles as well. your statement that those who accept Christ during the Tribulation will be believers but will not be part of the Church is so unbiblical to be laughable. again, spiritual blindness to what the Church is. ( hint: it’s not like the Rotary Club )
really, where does God say that?
Satan Thinks if he can kill off the Jews God cannot keep his promises. God will protect the Jews supernaturally.
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