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To: CynicalBear
What kind of illogical comment is "Jesus has virtually nothing positive to say about tradition". This cite in no way invalidates tradition and to state the opposite is a logical fallacy. You would do well to ponder 1 Cor 11:2 2Thes 2:15 and 2 Tim 1:13.

Just where does Jesus teach that all tradition is to be judged by its conformity to scripture? Remember that during His earthly ministry the Nt Bile had not been written unless camping declared otherwise. When Jesus or the apostles or early church fathers refer to scripture it is invariably the OT

Jesus left us the magisterium to interpret scripture and for 2000 years it has served as He intended while you have Camping . Some difference.

To read the early church fathers is to affirm the validity of the Catholic church. Cyril remarks in no way affirm the validity the Sola or SOLO scriptura nonsense unless you can find a reference where he is sneaking into a baptist or evangelical house of heresy.

It might be wise to stop reading the early church fathers lest you find yourself on the Road to Rome . Perhaps the Age of Miracles is not over.

465 posted on 05/22/2011 5:12:11 PM PDT by bronx2 (while Jesus is the Alpha /Omega He has given us rituals which you reject to obtain the graces as to)
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To: bronx2
Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. 9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

Even the current RCC teaching is in contradiction to their own claimed church fathers.

“We have learned from none others the plan of our salvation, than from those through whom the gospel has come down to us, which they did at one time proclaim in public, and, at a later period, by the will of God, handed down to us in the Scriptures, to be the ground and pillar of our faith.” (Irenaeus, Against Heresies III.1.1, in Alexander Roberts and W. H. Rambaugh, trans., in The Writings of Irenaeus (Edinburgh: T & T Clark, 1874)

For Irenaeus, the church doctrine is never purely traditional; on the contrary, the thought that there could be some truth transmitted exclusively viva voce (orally) is a Gnostic line of thought.[ Ellen Flesseman-Van Leer, Tradition and Scripture in the Early Church (Assen: Van Gorcum, 1953), 133.]

In fact, the apostle Paul himself states that the gospel he initially preached orally could be verified by the written Scriptures.[ 'Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand.By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures' (1 Cor. 15:1-4).]The church as a whole, up to the thirteenth century, never viewed tradition to be a source of revelation.

You need to do more study of the church prior to Trent. You might learn the difference between the church prior and now. It's obvious to me that you know little of the early church prior to Trent.

506 posted on 05/22/2011 6:44:03 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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