Posted on 05/20/2011 5:24:45 PM PDT by bibletruth
For example, the Magisterium can NEVER say the following:
Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
And if the Magisterium says that they have the absolute authority, then effectively they are saying: my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the "Magisterium". That would be blaspheming God!
Here are Spiritual truths of a true Believer-Saint:
1 Corinthians 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Through God, I am sanctified; I am justified; I have the promise of future glorification; I am a child of God; I am a son of God. My God teaches my soul correct Bible doctrines because the entire Godhead indwells my soul. I am are declared a son of God in Romans 8:14-15. God's teachings are infallible. You whom do not have this son-ship privilege, who constantly need the Magisterium to teach you in Catholics doctrines, do not recognize the teaching ministry of the Holy Spirit for the believer today.
Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
Every time a Catholic calls me a heretic, unsaved, fallen away, absurd doctrines, delusion that I am a Saint, and other evil words: I am at that moment suffering with him [Christ], and earning day by day a greater reword that I may also be glorified together with Him.
All believers are heirs of God, but not all believers are joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him... Because, we must also suffer with him in this present time, for Christ suffers whenever one of His sons, like me, are falsely labeled heretic, unsaved, fallen away, teaching absurd doctrines, delusion that I am a Saint, not following the Magisterium, not following the Catholic works way to salvation, etc.
So thank you Catholics, for falsely labeling me a heretic, unsaved, fallen away, absurd doctrines, delusion that I am a Saint. That persecution by you is working in me a joint-heir with Christ! That I may be also glorified together with Him.
Bring it on Catholics: Your persecution upon me is working in me a joint-heir with Christ! That I may be also glorified together with Him. Bring it on Catholics, I praise God for the persecution that you delivery upon me...Praise thee Holy God. Amen
Psalms 97:10 Ye that love the LORD, hate evil: he preserveth the souls of his SAINTS; he delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked.
Lovely little thing you've slapped together. Keep up the good work Saint bibletruth.
Your thoughts about the Magisterium thinking it is God and not guided by the Spirit parallels the thought process of Harold Camping and is prime face evidence of the faulty logic employed by Sola Scriptura types. Stop with the martyr complex and drama queen antics. It just makes your rant laughable like Harold Camping.
If it weren't for the Third World (and their spawn in the US) the Catholic Church would dying a slow death.
Actually, bibletruth, I wouldn’t dream of persecuting you. I will happily pray for you, though.
Just by way of a contribution:
(from www.scripturecatholic.com)
The Church is Infallible and Supernatural
Isa. 35:8, 54:13-17 - this prophecy refers to the Church as the Holy Way where sons will be taught by God and they will not err. The Church has been given the gift of infallibility when teaching about faith and morals, where her sons are taught directly by God and will not err. This gift of infallibility means that the Church is prevented from teaching error by the power of the Holy Spirit (it does not mean that Church leaders do not sin!)
Acts 9:2; 22:4; 24:14,22 - the early Church is identified as the “Way” prophesied in Isaiah 35:8 where fools will not err therein.
Matt. 10:20; Luke 12:12 - Jesus tells His apostles it is not they who speak, but the Spirit of their Father speaking through them. If the Spirit is the one speaking and leading the Church, the Church cannot err on matters of faith and morals.
Matt. 16:18 - Jesus promises the gates of Hades would never prevail against the Church. This requires that the Church teach infallibly. If the Church did not have the gift of infallibility, the gates of Hades and error would prevail. Also, since the Catholic Church was the only Church that existed up until the Reformation, those who follow the Protestant reformers call Christ a liar by saying that Hades did prevail.
Matt. 16:19 - for Jesus to give Peter and the apostles, mere human beings, the authority to bind in heaven what they bound on earth requires infallibility. This is a gift of the Holy Spirit and has nothing to do with the holiness of the person receiving the gift.
Matt. 18:17-18 - the Church (not Scripture) is the final authority on questions of the faith. This demands infallibility when teaching the faith. She must be prevented from teaching error in order to lead her members to the fullness of salvation.
Matt. 28:20 - Jesus promises that He will be with the Church always. Jesus’ presence in the Church assures infallible teaching on faith and morals. With Jesus present, we can never be deceived.
Mark 8:33 - non-Catholics sometimes use this verse to down play Peter’s authority. This does not make sense. In this verse, Jesus rebukes Peter to show the import of His Messianic role as the Savior of humanity. Moreover, at this point, Peter was not yet the Pope with the keys, and Jesus did not rebuke Peter for his teaching. Jesus rebuked Peter for his lack of understanding.
Luke 10:16 - whoever hears you, hears me. Whoever rejects you, rejects me. Jesus is very clear that the bishops of the Church speak with Christ’s infallible authority.
Luke 22:32 - Jesus prays for Peter, that his faith may not fail. Jesus’ prayer for Peter’s faith is perfectly efficacious, and this allows Peter to teach the faith without error (which means infallibly).
John 11:51-52 - some non-Catholics argue that sinners cannot have the power to teach infallibly. But in this verse, God allows Caiaphas to prophesy infallibly, even though he was evil and plotted Jesus’ death. God allows sinners to teach infallibly, just as He allows sinners to become saints. As a loving Father, He exalts His children, and is bound by His own justice to give His children a mechanism to know truth from error.
1 & 2 Peter - for example, Peter denied Christ, he was rebuked by his greatest bishop (Paul), and yet he wrote two infallible encyclicals. Further, if Peter could teach infallibly by writing, why could he not also teach infallibly by preaching? And why couldn’t his successors so teach as well?
Gen. to Deut.; Psalms; Paul - Moses and maybe Paul were murderers and David was an adulterer and murderer, but they also wrote infallibly. God uses us sinful human beings because when they respond to His grace and change their lives, we give God greater glory and His presence is made more manifest in our sinful world.
John 14:16 - Jesus promises that the Holy Spirit would be with the Church forever. The Spirit prevents the teaching of error on faith and morals. It is guaranteed because the guarantee comes from God Himself who cannot lie.
John 14:26 - Jesus promises that the Holy Spirit would teach the Church (the apostles and successors) all things regarding the faith. This means that the Church can teach us the right moral positions on such things as in vitro fertilization, cloning and other issues that are not addressed in the Bible. After all, these issues of morality are necessary for our salvation, and God would not leave such important issues to be decided by us sinners without His divine assistance.
John 16:12 - Jesus had many things to say but the apostles couldn’t bear them at that point. This demonstrates that the Church’s infallible doctrine develops over time. All public Revelation was completed with the death of the last apostle, but the doctrine of God’s Revelation develops as our minds and hearts are able to welcome and understand it. God teaches His children only as much as they can bear, for their own good.
John 16:13 - Jesus promises that the Spirit will “guide” the Church into all truth. Our knowledge of the truth develops as the Spirit guides the Church, and this happens over time.
1 Cor. 2:13 – Paul explains that what the ministers teach is taught, not by human wisdom, but by the Spirit. The ministers are led to interpret and understand the spiritual truths God gives them over time.
Eph. 4:13,15 – Paul indicates that attaining to the unity of the faith and the knowledge of the Son of God to mature manhood is a process. We are to grow up in every way into Christ. Doctrine (which means “teaching”) develops as we understand God’s Revelation.
Acts 15:27-28 - the apostles know that their teaching is being guided by the Holy Spirit. He protects the Church from deception.
Gal. 2:11-14 - non-Catholics sometimes use this verse to diminish Peter’s evident authority over the Church. This is misguided. In this verse, Paul does not oppose Peter’s teaching, but his failure to live by it. Infallibility (teaching without error) does not mean impeccability (living without sinning). Peter was the one who taught infallibly on the Gentile’s salvation in Acts 10,11. With this rebuke, Paul is really saying “Peter, you are our leader, you teach infallibly, and yet your conduct is inconsistent with these facts. You of all people!” The verse really underscores, and not diminishes, the importance of Peter’s leadership in the Church.
Eph. 3:10 - the wisdom of God is known, even to the intellectually superior angels, through the Church (not the Scriptures). This is an incredible verse, for it tells us that God’s infinite wisdom comes to us through the Church. For that to happen, the Church must be protected from teaching error on faith and morals (or she wouldn’t be endowed with the wisdom of God).
Eph. 3:9 - this, in fact, is a mystery hidden for all ages - that God manifests His wisdom through one infallible Church for all people.
Eph. 3:20 - God’s glory is manifested in the Church by the power of the Spirit that works within the Church’s leaders. As a Father, God exalts His children to roles of leadership within the body of Christ.
Eph. 5:23-27, Col. 1:18 - Christ is the head of the Church, His Bride, for which He died to make it Holy and without blemish. There is only one Church, just as Christ only has one Bride.
Eph. 5:32- Paul calls the Church a “mystery.” This means that the significance of the Church as the kingdom of God in our midst cannot be understood by reason alone. Understanding the Church also requires faith. “Church” does not mean a building of believers. That is not a mystery. Non-Catholics often view church as mere community, but not the supernatural mystery of Christ physically present among us.
1 Thess. 5:21 - Paul commands us to test everything. But we must have something against which to test. This requires one infallible guide that is available to us, and this guide is the Catholic Church, whose teachings on faith and morals have never changed.
1 Tim. 3:15 - Paul says the apostolic Church (not Scripture) is the pillar and foundation of the truth. But for the Church to be the pinnacle and foundation of truth, she must be protected from teaching error, or infallible. She also must be the Catholic Church, whose teachings on faith and morals have not changed for 2,000 years. God loves us so much that He gave us a Church that infallibly teaches the truth so that we have the fullness of the means of salvation in His only begotten Son.
1 John 4:6 – John writes that whoever knows God “listens to us” (the bishops and successors to the apostles). Then John writes “This is the way we discern truth and error. John does not say “reading the Bible is the way we discern truth and error.” But if listening to mere human beings helps us discern truth and error, God would have had to endow his chosen leaders with the special gift of infallibility, so that they would be prevented from teaching error.
Matt. to Rev. - we must also note that not all Christian doctrines are explicit in Scripture (for example, the dogma of the Blessed Trinity). However, infallibility is strongly inferred from the foregoing passages. Non-Catholic Christians should ask themselves why they accept the Church’s teaching on the three persons of the Trinity, the two natures of Christ in one divine person, and the New Testament canon of Scripture (all defined by the Catholic Church), but not other teachings regarding the Eucharist, Mary, the saints, and purgatory?
Our Lord did say that He would be with us unto the consummation of the world. Whether we are a large Church or a small Church, He’s why we are here.
You don't say. The entire Godhead? Do you have to use a keyboard to post or do you simply speak a post into existence?
Amen & Amen!
We love the Lord’s words: “Where two or three are gathered in My name , there am I in the midst.”
And our Lord said: “I am meek and lowly.”
In Galations 4:4-7) “But when the fullness of time was come, God sent forth His Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem then that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.......”
I don't know what it means.
When I read Scripture, I find in more than one place Paul saying that there are many gifts of the Spirit and there is a diversity of roles in the Church.
In particular, Paul asks, in I Corinthians: Are all teachers? It seems to me Paul expects us to answer,"No." So it is quite possible to be a saint while not being a teacher.
So how am I to know that your interpretation of God's revelation in Scripture is correct? How am I to know you are a teacher?
Again, clearly Paul thinks that SOME are teachers, and that their gift as teacher is a gift of the Holy Spirit, not something they earned themselves. That is, for those whom Paul calls teachers, their authority is not from themselves but from the Holy Spirit.
So there are teachers, Paul says, who are given that role, and given effectiveness, in that role by the Holy Spirit.
So we Catholics think that the teaching of the Magisterium is NOT just the teaching of men. It is rather the -- hammered out, like steel upon steel -- teaching of Spiritually endowed and authorized teachers. So to us your opposition of the teaching of the Holy Spirit and the teaching of the Magisterium makes no sense. "Of COURSE it is not the teaching of men!" we would say.
Now I find in the Old Testament a law concerning prophets: when their prophecies do not come true, we are not to think of them as prophets. I find that you say things about what I believe that are not true. I do not believe what you say I believe.
So, where I can KNOW as certainly as anything the truth of what you say, I find it to be untrue. I do not deify Mary; I do not (as far as I know) put the teaching of men above that of the Holy Spirit.
So, can you explain to me why I should put any confidence in you as a bearer of God's Truth? Wherever you speak about the one thing I am certain about, you are incorrect.
Okay guys. Have fun with this one!
James 2:17
In addition since the Church doctrine was not yet existing how could Jesus mention same?You need to read and ponder
1 Cor 11:2 2 Tim 2:2, 2 Thess 3:6, 2 Perter 3:2 are good sources to discern the indwelling of the Spirit in your heart. Jn 21: 24-25 reminds us that Jesus did many things not recorded in scripture so who are we to deny these deeds of the Lord or state the Magisterium, guided by the Holy Spirit is adding to the Word.
Remember it is the Catholic Church who complied the bible under the guidance of the Spirit. To use prideful self interpretation, like Harold Camping, the poster child for Sola Scriptura, is prime face evidence that this myth is false and might well be of Satan.
The burden of proof is on you to demonstrate where the bible endorses Sola Scriptura. The answer is nowhere.
Don't use 2 Tim 3:16 as this passage merely relates all scripture is good for teaching but does not serve as an endorsement for Sola Scriptura.
Most of you type have conceded this issue a long time ago. Sorry.
abortion
contraception
gayness
marxism, socialism, communism
Yet you applaud that the Church, in your estimation at least, has no influence.
I can only conclude that you must support those listed items that the Church opposes.
He not quoting it in one instance does not signify that it wwas 'not allowed'.
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