Posted on 04/14/2011 8:18:23 AM PDT by Grunthor
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OK, if you think that’s the right way to live, then more power to you. There doesn’t seem to be a point in arguing anymore.
OK, God bless, thank you for the discussion.
Actually, I think he is under the mistaken impression that you are Eastern Orthodox, not Roman Catholic.
That’s right, he is an Eastern Orthodox.
Verdugo, if you are going to address people like you did in post 85, it helps to ping them to your post. Otherwise, they probably won’t see you post to them.
Also, if I’m not mistaken, out of the five people you identified as Orthodox, only two of them are currently practicing Orthodox Christians.
Also, it is Lent. Why do you feel the need to say things that could lead to more argument on the religion forum?
A couple months ago, I stumbled onto an older thread where I saw another view of NFP.
I think the poster was Herman the Cherusker, but I don’t see that name still on free republic. Anyway, he was saying that, according to most moral theologians, NFP is fine as long as you contribute a suitable amount of children to society. If I remember correctly, he also said that they estimated the suitable amount of kids for present-day America to be about 5 or so.
Do you have any comments on that? Was what he was saying correct at all?
The Church has never said any given number is the “right” number. Therefore I would never assert that any amount of children was right or acceptable.
That being said, I do wonder if there’s a deeper meaning to what he was saying. My SIL talks about hitting a wall at five, and just feeling completely overwhelmed at that point, could also be because her last two were 17 months apart and super active little boys. At church, I’ve noticed that many families seem to stop at six, or at least there is a significantly larger gap between children after six. I’m sure part of that is maternal age, but there might be something to having five or six kids transforms the family a bit and they have to regroup, for lack of a better term.
So maybe he intends to reassure families who have grown quickly that it is ok to take a breather and that feeling overwhelmed isn’t a selfish feeling.
But I would never say X amount of kids is ok or you can close off yourself to life after that point.
Actually, he had solid doctrinal statements to back up his assertions. I thought his views on the subject were very cohesive and convincing, from a Natural Law perspective.
But I would never say X amount of kids is ok or you can close off yourself to life after that point.
Yes, we should keep that in mind.
When our children were younger, we bought a 3/4 ton twelve passenger van. We always wanted six or eight children, or more if God willed it. It was a great vehicle. When we took the seats out, it was like a moving van. With that and our utility trailer, we could move just about anything.
But after our third child, God never sent us any more. I guess we were a bit presumptuous.
Ok.
I was inclined to listen to his views, because he seemed to be one of the most knowledgeable people I’ve seen posting on this site.
Unfortunately, we’ve lost some exemplary Catholic apologists from FreeRepublic over the past several years, and the forum is impoverished by their absence.
In other words, all I did was reproduce in it's entirety the posting I had sent to Cronos way back (when a copy was sent to all those people that you referred to). Everything below the “here's what I wrote exactly:” is old news already fully discussed.
Please cc this to all those to whom you cc’d that old posting copy, so that they are not further disturbed.
re: Also, it is Lent. Why do you feel the need to say things that could lead to more argument on the religion forum?
It was a response to Cronos detracting against my faith, by falsely stating that I'm not Catholic.
Do you have links to his works, or thoughts? I don’t remember him, sounds like he’s worth the read.
Herman the Cherusker was apparently a Catholic freeper a while ago whose account is no longer active.
If I remember correctly, he was referencing moral theologians in general and not a specific one. So I don’t know if I could find any links to them.
If you just mean a link to the thread with the discussion on NFP, I’m going to try searching for it, but I probably won’t find it. I’ll let you know if I do.
Brian may know more about the thread I was talking about or the moral theologians Herman was referencing, though.
I must have missed that.
Please cc this to all those to whom you cc’d that old posting copy, so that they are not further disturbed.
Honestly, I think pinging them would further disturb them, so I'll pass on that.
It was a response to Cronos detracting against my faith, by falsely stating that I'm not Catholic.
In the post you were responding to, I think he was criticizing your knowledge of Catholicism, not specifically saying that you are not Catholic.
By the way, what makes you think Cronos is Orthodox?
(Its amazing what you can find using Google's Advanced Search options: NFP by Hermann the Cherusker site:www.freerepublic.com!)
Wow! Glad you could find the link.
I have to admit that the discussion on that thread is much more “high-brow” than what I’m used to seeing on the religion forum these days.
Wow! Thanks. 2003, a bit before my time. Didn’t join FR until 05, didn’t know about them until the forged memos of 04.
Highbrow....not a word I would use for the RF. Which is why I rarely get involved.
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