Posted on 04/12/2011 7:55:27 AM PDT by bkaycee
I am glad to be in the same church as St John. Thanks for posting that. I’ll watch and see Nestorius’ defenders try to refute.
Ephesians 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
Our inheritance as children of God through faith is secure. Even if we are faithless, He is faithful.
2 Timothy 2:12-13 ... if we endure, we will also reign with him; if we deny him, he also will deny us; if we are faithless, he remains faithful— for he cannot deny himself.
Evidently you did with that post what you rant at us Proddys for doing with RC posts.
Doesn’t sound like you understood me 1%
ABSOLUTELY WRONG.
NOT WHAT I SAID.
NOT WHAT I MEANT.
NOT WHAT I THINK.
NOT WHAT I FEEL.
THAT’S THE TRUTH.
Can you be more descriptive?
Let me give you an example of why Christians must know this. We were discussing islam on another thread. At my church we have an equipping ministry for witnessing to muslims. In class Sunday two young men (late 20's) came and spoke about a ministry they've started called movein.to. What they do is have teams move in to muslim dominated slums and they pray for them. The missionaries keep their jobs and totally integrate into the community. When someone knocks on their door they preach The Gospel.
They are having success reaching the lost.
So that's why the question what is The Gospel RC's believe. If someone knocks on your door what are you going to tell them?
Honestly, I’m a poorly catechized Catholic, who is just starting to learn more about my faith.
I’d say something like:
God humbled Himself, became man, and died for us, so that we may have eternal life.
I imagine to someone looking in from outside it would seem like that. The differences are questions of discernment. Evangelicals are united in their belief of The Gospel and Scripture being the rule of the faith.
This and the issues such a baptism also illustrate that disunity and the core problem of sola scriptura to having a truly unified Body of Christ.
The problem with a hierarchy is it becomes a control freak. The desire of men to have absolute power over others to the point of even controlling what they are allowed to think is nothing new.
Don't let the catechism lead you away from the Truth go to your Bible. Probably the best explanation of The Gospel is ICor. 15:1-4.
Seek the Truth. We are in a spiritual war and we need warriors.
I’d respectfully disagree. The view of God and God and man’s relationship in Calvinism is radically different from that of Jesus and Christianity. I think an objective view shows this plainly.
The point of the differences in Baptism involves authority, but my point was that learned men using the same scripture disagree - with extreme assurance - on it. This, IMHO, illustrates that the unifying force you note is not a unifying source. Even the major heretics of history argued from scripture.
Thanks for your reply.
Don't let the catechism lead you away from the Truth go to your Bible.
I think both can be helpful.
Seek the Truth.
That's what I've been doing more of lately.
We are in a spiritual war and we need warriors.
No doubt.
I thought you were doing okay up until this part. “Literal” appears in some poorly written articles. “Physical” appears, I'd venture, nowhere in serious discussions of the Eucharist — except in discussions of extraordinary miracles.
Why don't you confine yourself to the terms we DO use, “real” and “substantial”?
As long as you use “literally” and “physically” you are not presenting Catholic teaching. And if you do so after advice, then your ignorance is culpable and your act, being the presentation as known truth of something you do not know to be true, becomes a lie, a serious sin.
in fact, you are adding bearing of false witness to the sin of apostasy. Leave us, if you must. But don't carelessly spread lies about us. That's not fair to your hearers.
Let me ask do you see any "ands", "buts", or "maybe's" in ICor. 15:1-4?
The only source for Truth that you can trust is Scripture.
No, though do like yogurt if it is made to look like ice cream and covered liberally with something tasty and fattening.
Hey, roamer, would you bust a move for us?
Sadly, no... I will have to resist the temptation. The paperwork involved in doing so is prohibitive... a permit from the state, notifications to the US Geological Survey, and to geology departments of regional universities, with precise timing, so they know when to ignore their seismic equipment... the county has to know, so they can shut off the water mains... And the USFS and MT FWP, so they can move folks out of avalanche prone areas...
And the aftermath... replacing all the glass in my neighbors windows, repairing cracks in the road out front, terrified children requiring counseling... Old folks cowering in corners...
It just isn't worth it.
1. I was blessed when I read your truth paper, that you seemed to own so many of those wonderful assertions.
2. Now, this post 2,021 of yours leaves me wondering
A) Are we writing the same language?
B) Was that truth paper all sophistry for you?
C) Did someone ghost that paper for you?
D) Did we fall into the Twilight Zone?
You evidently have no clue what I was saying in the post you’re responding to.
You evidently have no interest in applying the assertions and principles in your truth paper to that post of mine nor to this “dialogue.”
Fascinating, in a very sad sort of way.
CORRECTION:
I observe no evidence that you have any clue to what I was saying in the post you’re responding to.
I observe nothing that convinces me that you have any interest in applying the assertions and principles in your truth paper to that post of mine nor to this “dialogue.”
Fascinating, in a very sad sort of way.
I disagree.
Surely, you aren’t surprised.
But rest easy, you are in good company - the RC’s are taught to ignore God’s Holy Spirit Inspired Word, also, and are taught the opposite of what God said. And their Maryology/devotion to Mary is just one proof of that.
So your 1% of their understanding of what was written/said is about right.
Are you SURE you're the same person who wrote that paper about truth?
I said nothing of the sort of thing you asserted just above. Not at all.
It seems to me that your glasses have become as dark as those of some others on here. Very sad, that.
Championing someone else's absurd evil that comes out of bad-faith heart motives can do that.
When you are ready to exchange posts in as much truth and mutual respect and understanding as possible, please let me know.
PRAISE GOD FOR THEIR SACRIFICES AND COURAGE!
THX for sharing that.
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