Posted on 03/05/2011 7:02:53 PM PST by delacoert
The major heresy of Mormonism is summed up in its central theological axiom, the doctrine of The Law of Eternal Progression. It is as follows: “As Man is, God once was, and as God is, man may become.”
Basically, it says that the god of Mormonism was once a man who was born to human parents on another planet, grew to manhood, lived out his life being obedient to the laws and ordinances of the gospel presented by the god of that world. Upon his death and resurrection, he was judged (by his god) as being worthy for godhood.
The Mormon god was raised to his godhood and sent with many goddess wives to a planet near the great star, Kolob, somewhere in our present galaxy. There, this god and his wives began ‘procreating’ or physically begetting “spirit” children. We here on this planet are each the offspring of this god and one of his goddesses in this pre-existent Mormon world.
Amazing? Yes, it is! But even more disparate is the position of Christ in all this. Mormonism teaches that when their god decided it was time to populate this earth with his spirit children, the Head of All The Gods called a great council meeting to decide the method. The Mormon god asked his two eldest sons, Jesus and Lucifer, to both prepare plans for presentation to the council. They chose the plan of Jesus.
Lucifer rebelled and led one-third of the children to revolt against god and in a great battle, was defeated by Christ and the two-thirds who were “valiant.” Lucifer and those who fought with him were cast to earth without bodies and became the devil and his demons. Those others who were less than valiant became the black race and the very valiant became the “white and delightsome” race.
Mormonism teaches that if Mormons are faithful, pay their tithing, obey all the laws and ordinances of the (Mormon) gospel, do their genealogy and go to the temple for secret, sacred rituals for both the living and their dead, they too can become gods and goddesses as all gods have done before them.
To the Mormon, Jesus is our elder brother, who pointed the way, but isn’t The Way, as we Christians understand. To the Mormon, Jesus was the god of the Old Testament, but once he took his physical form, justified his own spiritual salvation through his works while in the flesh, just as each of us must.
Mormonism teaches that Jesus suffered for our sins in the Garden of Gethsemane, providing personal salvation (which may mean exaltation to godhood) conditional upon our obedience to the laws and ordinances of the LDS gospel. His death on the cross provided a general salvation, whereby all mankind is resurrected to be judged for our works, using the secret keys, hand grips and passwords learned only in the Mormon temple by worthy Mormons.
What I have just shared is just the tip of a dark and dangerous iceberg, filled with spiritual death for its unsuspecting victims. Proverbs 14:12 says, “There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.” Were the scriptures ever more direct in such a matter?
Have you also noticed threads presenting Mormonism in the guise of Christianity on an almost daily bases?
re: “Still, an open mind is a wonderful thing... I will not shut the door to whatever God’s plan might be or to His possibilities...:”
Yes, an open mind can be a good thing, but not if it considers beliefs that contradict the Scriptures. While I do not believe the Book of Mormon to be inspired, I think you will also find that it also does not teach the idea of that human beings will “evolve” or “progress” to Godhood. It does not teach that God was once a man. I realize that Mormons believe that revelation is ongoing, but new revelation, if it is indeed from God, will not contradict previous revelation. If it does, then that revelation, according to the Bible, is a lie.
As to Pat Robertson, whatever he says outside of revealed truth in the Scriptures is nothing more than conjecture - it is what the Bible teaches that is important.
Look, we are all sinners before God. What we put our faith in matters because it has eternal consequences. I implore you to consider the possibility that Joseph Smith was not a prophet and that he made up all the stuff he claims he received from God - are you open minded enough to consider that? I have checked into his claims and the “revelations” he wrote down and I’ve come to the conclusion that he was a false prophet because they contradict known revelation from the God of the Bible.
I know and love several Mormon friends. I have no animosity toward any of them, nor toward any Mormon missionary that came to my door. My animosity is toward the false beliefs and claims of a false prophet. He lied and led many, many good and descent people away from the true God of the Bible. That fills me with indignation.
I know it would be very hard to do what I ask because it is asking someone to question and doubt everything they’ve been taught - and taught by good and honest people that you’ve probably respected and admired. But, honesty, goodness, and sincerity are not guarantees that one’s beliefs are true. A person can be sincere and yet, be sincerely wrong. I hope you are willing to consider this.
Juxtaposing essential Christian doctrine arising from sound exegesis of holy scripture with heretical eisegesis may be entertaining to a few jaded aetheists, but on the Religion forum it’s just trolling.
Yes, those and their responses are mostly all from the same people, repeatedly.
Wouldn’t a mind that did not consider beliefs that contradict Scriptures, be the closed one?
Pat Robertson says a lot of kooky things. It doesn’t matter what man says.
It matters what God has said. And God said there was never aGod before him and will be none after.
If you accept that, you reject Mormonism. If you accept Mormonism, you reject the one true God.
There is no third option.
You do realize that the Roman Catholic Bible has seven more books than the Protestant version? Some on this forum have stated (and I have yet to verify) that they were removed because they would contradict Sola Scriptura doctrine/teachings. The Mormons believe that the Bible is correct in so far as it was translated correctly. Who would argue with that? Who's to say it is complete? The Catholics don't believe the Protestant versions are.
At the very least the Book of Mormon could be inspired fiction. Have you read the parts about the Gadianton robbers and secret combinations? It could explain a lot about what is happening today. To a tee. You are correct, it does not claim that human beings will “evolve” or “progress” to Godhood (those teachings came later). It merely claims to be a Second Witness of Jesus Christ on the American continents. To that end, I will accept that it may well be what it claims.
Joseph Smith was indeed a strange character. He may well have had revelations from God, perhaps not. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it either way. I do think the Book of Mormon is worth reading. There is a lot of truth in it. That said, even if it is what it claims to be, that doesn't mean the LDS church as presently constituted is true. Perhaps Joseph Smith went off the deep end after a few years, perhaps not. Perhaps a Second Witness was all that was called for at the time. Perhaps not. I don't know.
I do know man has a tremendous propensity to screw up anything that is good and wholesome... or to replace truth with lies. I trust that God will set things straight.... if only we will listen and be open minded. Peace...
Oh, if I was going to join ANY church right now, it would be the Catholic Church. I honestly believe that the issue is between Mormonism and Catholicism. IMO, the Protestants barely have a leg to stand on, if at all. And then we have the OP going on and on and on... You see why I poped up on this thread? ;-)
Popped up... LOL
Thanks for the concern, though. Have a nice Sunday!
I’m asking why is that used as a caucus title. I understand Mormon sentiments toward orthodox and semi-orthodox Christians. I just don’t see the point of using it as a caucus title.
Or have you been able to distinguish between parenthetic descriptors and caucus tags because you cleverly notice the presence or absence of the word caucus?
You wrote:
“All this time you’ve been avoiding posting in threads tagged [Vanity] because you’re not vain?”
Most vanity threads I have seen do not interest me. This was not marked as a vanity thread that I saw. I did, however, see this: “[Mormonism/Anti-Christianity]”. I asked “Anti-Christianity?”
“Or have you been able to distinguish between parenthetic descriptors and caucus tags because you cleverly notice the presence or absence of the word caucus?”
Whether or not I can distinguish one or the other is irrelevant. I asked “Anti-Christianity?” If it was a caucus title, it apparently is not now since it has disappeared from the thread title as far as I can see. Since you posted it in the thread title, and it has apparently been removed, it seems that you are the one who can not distinguish between parenthetic descriptors and caucus tags. That would not surprise me.
I wouldn't agree that's even a remote possibility.
IMO, borrowing a turn of phrase from Mark Twain, the Book of Mormon "is such a pretentious affair, and yet so 'slow,' so sleepy; such an insipid mess of inspiration. It is chloroform in print."
At any rate the Religion Moderator has clarified a misunderstanding about the use of the “Other Non-Christian” topic in posts so I will be using that option as a means of tagging the anti-Christian nature of Mormonism in future posts.
I think we should be using the Anti-Christian tag!
Where in the bible does it say Jesus was married, his mother having a 'sexual' encounter with god or that there will be we can become gods in the after life? If this isn't anti-Christian I don't know what is... its certainly satanic in nature.
You seem to be rather cavalier about handling potential false doctrine. You claim to lose no sleep over whether or not Joseph Smith was a false prophet and seem to promote an ecumenical spirit. But then, you have no qualms passing judgement on what protestants believe.
Why are you so against those who speak against mormonism, which includes an official statement of the Catholic church, by the way? Jesus spoke very strongly against false teachers and against the legalism of the pharisees. The Bible instructs repeatedly to be on the defense against false teachers. Since pretty much all of Christendom is in agreement that mormonism if a false religion, why are you against Christians speaking against what they think is false. It seems to me the OP and others like him/her are following Jesus’ example of defending the faith.
A) It is not based on sound exegesis at all. In fact it is no more sound than Mormon exegesis and derived from the same eisegetical roots. For example, lets look at this question:
Is the man Jesus part of the godhead? Mormon: Yes
Christianity: Yes
Jewish: No
So while there are doctrinal differences between Christianity and Mormonism, the end result is the same. Both are heretical.
B) I am not an atheist, I am Jewish.
Still waiting for anyone to show me an instance where a Mormon is being "bashed". By the way, you left out the part about us being "haters' and "bigots".
I thoroughly detest Mormonism. I pray with all my heart that individual Mormons will come to the Jesus of the Bible and forsake that hellish religion. I pray for them by their screen names, knowing my Savior knows their real names
I wish that "secret underwear" was the only problem with Mormonism.
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