The Pandemic of End-Times Dysfunction (E.D.)

The Gary DeMar Show ^ | Nov 12, 2009 | Joel McDurmon

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Joel McDurmon, hosting today's show for Gary DeMar, exposes End-times Dysfunction (E.D.) for what it is. Joel shares with doomsdayers how they can get relief from their paranoia and troubled souls.

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Dr E, the dispensations are God’s economy, and recognizing how God’s economy works is expected of us.

Baloney Statement: There are no “dispensations” ala dispensationalism in the Bible. There is nothing to “figure out.”

The Bible's division is simple, Old Testament and New Testament. Before Christ and After Christ. Before Christ salvation was generally limited to the nation of Israel, the ekklesia of God in that age. After Christ the gospel has gone out into all the world, and the ekklesia of God is now universal. Salvation has been and always will be by the blood of Christ. No works required.

There are no 4 or 7 or 10 “dispensations.”

[OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian]

Because it is a Personal attack saying I have a rubber Bible or a pseudo Bible. I belong to a Reformed Church that is grounded in the scriptures, which believes in the Bible as our authoritative Word of God, our rule of faith. The Bible alone gives us our teachings of God. Saying I have a pseudo Bible is an attack.

[OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian]

But the Rapture is not in the Bible, it is incorrect reasoning. I said that the Rapture is nonsense and I believe that it is and scripture says so. The Rapture is not in God's Word.

It is also very rude to say that if I disagree with the rapture that it is the work of Satan.

[OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian]

I agree with you “The earth and everything therein were created for Christ’s sheep. We may be thwarted, but we will never be defeated”. The Gospel shall prevail. God’s Word, the Holy Bible tells us so

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Let's see what believing eyes see happening in the world of Islam: more Iranians coming to Jesus in the last 30 year than in the previous 1,000. Turkish Christians exploding in number from 50 to 5,000 in 30 years. Evangelism winning African Muslims to Christ faster than they can beget replacements. Millions of Muslim students showing up on our doorstep, eager to make American friends and find out what Christians really believe.

AMEN!

And don't forget there are over 54 million Christians in China, of which over 39 million are Protestants!

I would bet my long-ago relatives who were Presbyterian missionaries in China would think those numbers represent enormous progress in the success of the Gospel.

[Quix]

NO. NOT SO.

That is a thin-skinned response.

1. My motive, goal, emotions etc. were all geared toward attacking the perspective, NOT the person.

2. In this context, the criteria for both kinds of ‘attacks’ are quite clear. My wording was well within the criteria for an attack on the perspective, ideas etc. and not the person.

3. TAKING THINGS PERSONALLY is not a fruit of The Spirit.

4. The perspective you posted, per my reading of my Bible is quite UNBIBLICAL. My wording emphasizes that perspective on my part.

5. You are welcome to respond with mundane words, if you wish, or not, as you see fit.

6. Mundane words are often not my style.

[Quix]

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Satan, and only satan wishes to diffuse the message of the rapture, and it most assuredly is in the bible.

In the Greek the word is harpazo, and in Latin rapto, but in both of those cases the meaning is to snatch up forcefully. So only in the english is the word diffused somewhat by the words ‘caught up’ but nevertheless 1Thess 4 makes it clear that is what will happen, and when (the closing trumpets of the feast of trumpets) The only thing we do not know is which year.

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Newbie, some threads you need thick skin; it’s not thin skin territory.

[Quix]

INDEED! AMEN! AMEN!

[Quix]

INDEED!

[editor-surveyor]

>> “The Bible’s division is simple, Old Testament and New Testament. Before Christ and After Christ. Before Christ salvation was generally limited to the nation of Israel, the ekklesia of God in that age. After Christ the gospel has gone out into all the world, and the ekklesia of God is now universal. Salvation has been and always will be by the blood of Christ. No works required.” <<

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Right there you have described two of the dispensations, and I do not disagree with your generalities, but there were also prior dispensations, and there is yet one more to come after the end of the gentile age.

I don’t see what it is that you fear that causes you to reject what is so plain in god’s word. The dispensations have nothing to do with the mode of salvation; it has always been by grace through faith. How could there be salvation except through innocent blood?

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LOL!

[editor-surveyor]

>> “ But regarding God’s people, it is just a pile of dirt and rocks like the rest of the planet, no better and no worse.” <<

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God’s word says otherwise.

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>> “I don’t understand Christians who do not see Christ in the Old Testament or who believe that all men are not commanded today to kneel to Jesus Christ alone” <<

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I agree, but what does that have to do with this discussion?

[OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian]

TAKING THINGS PERSONALLY is not a fruit of The Spirit.

Where do you make that out? And the wording you used was your pseudo-Bible and you never discussed the issue at all, that rapture is not in God's Holy Word. But I've now looked at the rest of the threads and I can see your comments from the second one and the comments seem to divert completely from the topic at hand on the rapture. I see no option but to shake the dust off my shoes. I know what the Bible says and Rapture is not in it. Other commentators have also described this very nicely, but there are too many diversions.

[OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian]

TAKING THINGS PERSONALLY is not a fruit of The Spirit.

Where do you make that out? And the wording used was 'your pseudo-Bible' and no discussing of the issue at all, that rapture is not in God's Holy Word. But I've now looked at the rest of the threads and I can see your comments from the second one and the comments seem to divert completely from the topic at hand on the rapture. I see no option but to shake the dust off my shoes. I know what the Bible says and Rapture is not in it. Other commentators have also described this very nicely, but there are too many diversions.

[OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian]

I agree with you, thanks

[OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian]

I am sorry, I do not know how that comment came twice. I still need to get the hang of using this.

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But I've now looked at the rest of the threads and I can see your comments from the second one and the comments seem to divert completely from the topic at hand on the rapture.

You might want to review the posts, Quix has indeed posted on the rapture and has not diverted from the topic.

[OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian]

that is wonderful news. We must bring the Muslims to Christ, there must be some elect among them who will accept the word of God.