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This is one of those topics that makes no difference to living a godly life or the disposition of your eternal soul.
Interesting article. Thanks for posting.
Jesus is our God and Savior. We get to meet Him at His table.
That’s not profound enough? You have to tack on the ravings of a Greek heathen to make it more significant?
Do Catholics really know what a metaphor is?
One of the first truths I saw after I was saved, was that the teaching on transubstantiation of the church was false.
I know that many Catholics will not leave the church because they really believe that communion in a Catholic church is the actual body of Christ, that they can not get anywhere else
God freed me from that faulty tradition almost immediately after I was saved.
It is strongly my suspicion that anyone that becomes Catholic because of that teaching has never met Jesus as Savior and Lord or he would know the power of the 24/7 indwelling Christ .
I have a vine growing near my back deck. If I cut it down, am I killing Christ again (he is the vine after all); further, if I trim its branches, am I at risk of suicide or homicide (we are the branches after all).
Taking the afternoon off to do some fishing- using medium rare T-bone as bait- (Jesus called us to be fishers of men after all).
I have a rich friend I hope to see saved- I figure the easiest way to get a camel through the eye of a needle is puree- can I borrow some blenders?
Noticed a star in the sky this morining- should I worship it (Jesus is the morningstar after all).
Met an actual Pharisee yesterday- I was walking through a graveyard and saw a whitewashed tomb.
Later I found some scribes in the snake house at the zoo.
Oh, no my right hand offends me- better call me lefty from now on.
Oops, right eye too- how ‘bout Cyclops?
Jesus said he spoke in parables so people wouldn’t understand. That’s one place he was being literal. I wonder if he realized the lack of understanding would be canonized.
Eh. Another peripheral topic of Christian theology which presents a fine opportunity for Catholics and Protestants to shout “heathen!” back-and-forth at one another ... but, which, in the grand scheme, matters little.
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The legalism of the RCC astounds me.
Beckwith bump!
Francis Beckwith explains (in a blog entry / column titled: "Transubstantiation: From Stumbling Block to Cornerstone"):
The Catholic doctrine of the Eucharist is a real stumbling block to some Protestants who are seriously considering Catholicism. It was for me too, until I explored the subject, historically and scripturally.Transubstantiation is one of those Roman dogmas that spectacularly fails the tests of history and Scripture, so it was interesting to read what Beckwith wrote. It was particularly interesting because Beckwith views transubstantiation as a cornerstone, whereas for us (Reformed), the cornerstone of our theology is the Word of God.
Beckwith begins by allegedly setting for the doctrine of transubstantiation:
Catholicism holds that bread and wine literally become the body and blood of Christ when they are consecrated by the priest celebrating the Mass. Oftentimes non-Catholics get hung up on the term transubstantiation, the name for the philosophical theory that the Church maintains best accounts for the change at consecration.There's a tiny problem that Beckwith hasn't accurately represented his church's position. The position of Rome is that:
And this faith has ever been in the Church of God, that, immediately after the consecration, the veritable Body of our Lord, and His veritable Blood, together with His soul and divinity, are under the species of bread and wine; but the Body indeed under the species of bread, and the Blood under the species of wine, by the force of the words; but the body itself under the species of wine, and the blood under the species of bread, and the soul under both, by the force of that natural connexion and concomitancy whereby the parts of Christ our Lord, who hath now risen from the dead, to die no more, are united together; and the divinity, furthermore, on account of the admirable hypostatical union thereof with His body and soul. Wherefore it is most true, that as much is contained under either species as under both; for Christ whole and entire is under the species of bread, and under any part whatsoever of that species; likewise the whole (Christ) is under the species of wine, and under the parts thereof.- Trent, Session XIII, Chapters 3-4And because that Christ, our Redeemer, declared that which He offered under the species of bread to be truly His own body, therefore has it ever been a firm belief in the Church of God, and this holy Synod doth now declare it anew, that, by the consecration of the bread and of the wine, a conversion is made of the whole substance of the bread into the substance of the body of Christ our Lord, and of the whole substance of the wine into the substance of His blood; which conversion is, by the holy Catholic Church, suitably and properly called Transubstantiation.
Notice what is actually involved:
1) The bread becomes not just the body of Christ, but the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Christ, and no longer remains bread.
2) The wine becomes not just the blood of Christ, but the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Christ, and no longer remains wine.
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So, while there may be some vague "Eucharistic realism" out there in the fathers, that does not convert Jesus' metaphors into the Tridentine absurdity, in which the bread is said to be not only the body of the Lord, but his blood, soul, and divinity as well - and not at all to be bread, except as to appearances. Had Beckwith founded himself on the Word of God, rather than on the traditions of men, he would not be led into this error. Since he has rejected, however, the Word of God, he has a new cornerstone for himself.
I thought the Scripture forbade the drinking of blood. Do not those who suggest the cup contents turn into the literal blood of Christ violate this command?
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As if it were impossible to consider the notion that the folks at the table just might have been “The Body” and it was not some loaf of bread that was the point.
As in gather together...etc....
Maybe it’s my imagination but it seems like in the wake of a contentious thread like this there is an explosion of Catholic caucus threads.
According to the Roman "church" The true church are all those who have been Doesn't it seem blasphemous for a mere created beingThat should read :
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
called out of the world by YHvH. (see Deu 4:10)
to claim that they can perform a magic show and order
the creator of the universe to become a matzoh and Passover wine ?
Good article.