[Cronos]

"Of course their are good ministers within the body of Christ"

Yes, and their numbers outweigh the bad. EVen more so, if one looks over the course of 2000 years

....but we are speaking of those who are not -- because unlike many groups outside, we are not a man/individual driven group, we are only focused on God and God's Word. If the tool is fauly (and all tools are faulty), we look beyond it to God, Our Lord Jesus Christ

"why they remain so long" -- God knows, just as God gave bad kings to Judah and Israel, yet those who rebelled (the Northern tribes) were reduced to dross.

[caww]

unlike many groups outside, we are not a man/individual driven group, we are only focused on God and God's Word

Oh but you are man/individual driven. Otherwise the homosexual issue among the very Priesthood would not have been sustained by the very men you are claiming are focused on God and His word. Both those who commited those acts and those who sheltered them. And still today they are all dragging their feet.

In my opinion...the laiety needs to take a huge stand.... stand against these Priests. Because those in leadership, who you claim to be focused on God, aren't even remotely close to God...rather an accessory to those crimes and totally man/individual focused, and are certainly doing little to combat this.

These Priests are not just faulty, as you say, they are mortal sinners in the hands of an angry God...and the leaderhip equally as such by failing to act on Gods behalf and comletely rid the church of these creeps. If I look over the course of years at your Priesthood...well the proof is in the pudding as we continue to see this day.