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To: Cronos
unlike many groups outside, we are not a man/individual driven group, we are only focused on God and God's Word

Oh but you are man/individual driven. Otherwise the homosexual issue among the very Priesthood would not have been sustained by the very men you are claiming are focused on God and His word. Both those who commited those acts and those who sheltered them. And still today they are all dragging their feet.

In my opinion...the laiety needs to take a huge stand.... stand against these Priests. Because those in leadership, who you claim to be focused on God, aren't even remotely close to God...rather an accessory to those crimes and totally man/individual focused, and are certainly doing little to combat this.

These Priests are not just faulty, as you say, they are mortal sinners in the hands of an angry God...and the leaderhip equally as such by failing to act on Gods behalf and comletely rid the church of these creeps. If I look over the course of years at your Priesthood...well the proof is in the pudding as we continue to see this day.

1,212 posted on 01/19/2011 9:01:45 PM PST by caww
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To: caww
Actually, we are not -- because if there is a bad priest etc. we are to look beyond the faulty human tool and focus on God.

On the homosexual issue, while those folks were heinous and should be hounded out or worse do note the % (2-3% in the US) and compare it to non-Catholic pastors and to secular professions like school teachers, etc which had similar or higher %

In my opinion...the laiety needs to take a huge stand.... stand against these Priests --> yes, I agree. And laity does play a big role today and the Church is tightening control over regional bishopsx

Because those in leadership, who you claim to be focused on God, aren't even remotely close to God -- could you honestly say that about all the priests? How many do you personally know, seriously? I know some rotters who are priests and yet they are in the minority. The numbers of good priests and diligent priests outweigh these bad ones enormously.

And it is the same among pastors in non-Catholic groups.
1,220 posted on 01/19/2011 9:18:59 PM PST by Cronos (Bobby Jindal 2012)
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To: caww

And the proof is certainly in the pudding — if you wander by anyCatholic Church in India or China or East Africa or even in Europe, the liveliness and youth and energy and love of God is amazing. The Holy Spirit seeks to remind us that these priests or pastors are just tools, the focus is God.


1,221 posted on 01/19/2011 9:21:17 PM PST by Cronos (Bobby Jindal 2012)
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