Posted on 01/14/2011 5:57:52 PM PST by topcat54
Evangelical book catalogs promote books such as Planet Earth: The Final Chapter, The Great Escape, and the Left Behind series. Bumper stickers warn us that the vehicles occupants may disappear at any moment. It is clear that there is a preoccupation with the idea of a secret rapture. Perhaps this has become more pronounced recently due to the expectation of a new millennium and the fears regarding potential Y2K problems. Perhaps psychologically people are especially receptive to the idea of an imminent, secret rapture at the present time. Additionally, many Christians are not aware that any other position relative to the second coming of Jesus Christ exists. Even in Reformed circles there are numerous people reading these books. Many of these people are unaware that this viewpoint conflicts with Scripture and Reformed Theology.
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I only courtesy pinged you.
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I wasn’t under the impression you were RC.
some still are not sure if the baptist or lutheran is right on infant baptism, heads or tails?
Dont ping me again until you answer the question.
You are far too modest. Claim it, brother.
We have learned from none others the plan of our salvation, than from those through whom the gospel has come down to us, which they did at one time proclaim in public, and, at a later period, by the will of God, handed down to us in the Scriptures, to be the ground and pillar of our faith. (Irenaeus, Against Heresies III.1.1, in Alexander Roberts and W. H. Rambaugh, trans., in The Writings of Irenaeus (Edinburgh: T & T Clark, 1874)
How is one to know what the apostles taught orally? It has been handed down to us in the Scriptures, and they in turn are the ground and pillar of our faith. The historical circumstances that prompted Irenaeus's words are important to understand. He was writing against the Gnostics who claimed to have access to an oral tradition handed down from the apostles, which was independent of the written Word of God. Irenaeus, as well as Tertullian, explicitly repudiates such a concept. The bishops of the church were in the direct line of succession from the apostles, and they were faithful to the apostolic teaching they proclaimed orally, but that doctrine could at every point be validated by Scripture.
i dealt with your questions on Mary, any honor given her are strictly due to her position as the Mother of God, from which are Savior was born. My point to you is, you seem to put some weight on what early Christians such as St. Iraneus and St Cyril taught, yet in the two huge doctrines of baptism and the Eucharist, you would be considered a heretic by them!
>> “Is the rapture in the Bible?” <<
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Yes! How could the saints possibly return to rule with Christ during the millenial reign unless they were removed first?
Already did that in 531.
>> “The Holy Spirit protects the Church” <<
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No, he Comforts the church, but he is removed when the church is removed.
how are we to know? From the Church, the ground and pillar of truth ( 1 Timothy 3:15 ) how does the Church know, it was there, it heard the Apostles! how can an organization know started in the 16th century, it can’t because it wasn’t there!
>> i dealt with your questions on Mary, any honor given her are strictly due to her position as the Mother of God, from which are Savior was born.<<
Ill ask it one more time. Find the basis for the assumption of Mary from Scripture. Honor due her does not cut it. An important doctrine like that would not have been ignored by the apostles.
You're trying to look at this thing logically. The doctrine is inherently illogical.
I've been asking unanswered questions of you for a while.
You didnt read the scriptures referenced did you.
Maybe they won't from a Reformed perspective...
So who is it allegedly that brings about the conversion of all those tribulation saints if the Holy Spirit is on the side lines?
i’m sorry! in all these posts, i missed #531 ( didn’t know where you got assumption from in your previous post, now it makes sense )
ok then, you seem to agree with Lutherans, so it is 2-1.
Your question on the Assumption of Mary being found in the Scriptures presupposes “sola scriptura” is our rule of faith, it is not! The doctrine is hinted at in Revelation, but the root is Sacred Tradition and the fact Mary’s body contained Jesus and He would not allow that body to corrupt.
again i ask you, why are you so hung up on Mary? I would think Baptism and the Eucharist are much more important doctrines and you seem to be very unorthodox in your beliefs. Believe me, you can be Catholic and never utter the word Mary!
NONSENSE.
Scripture reference please.
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