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The Not So Secret Rapture
reformed.org ^ | W. Fred Rice

Posted on 01/14/2011 5:57:52 PM PST by topcat54

Evangelical book catalogs promote books such as Planet Earth: The Final Chapter, The Great Escape, and the Left Behind series. Bumper stickers warn us that the vehicle’s occupants may disappear at any moment. It is clear that there is a preoccupation with the idea of a secret rapture. Perhaps this has become more pronounced recently due to the expectation of a new millennium and the fears regarding potential Y2K problems. Perhaps psychologically people are especially receptive to the idea of an imminent, secret rapture at the present time. Additionally, many Christians are not aware that any other position relative to the second coming of Jesus Christ exists. Even in Reformed circles there are numerous people reading these books. Many of these people are unaware that this viewpoint conflicts with Scripture and Reformed Theology.

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TOPICS: Theology
KEYWORDS: crusades; endtimes; eschatology; rapture
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To: 1000 silverlings; TopCat
For those who think that works save them,.......

If Catholics really believe this, then this list condemns every Catholic I have personally met.

Galatians 5:16-26 16But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do. 18But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. 19Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, 21envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

25If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

1,121 posted on 01/19/2011 1:57:21 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: topcat54; 1000 silverlings
Romans 14:20-23 Do not, for the sake of food, destroy the work of God. Everything is indeed clean, but it is wrong for anyone to make another stumble by what he eats. It is good not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything that causes your brother to stumble. The faith that you have, keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who has no reason to pass judgment on himself for what he approves. But whoever has doubts is condemned if he eats, because the eating is not from faith. For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin.

They felt condemned in their hearts that what they were doing was sin but excused it by appealing to the priest's actions.

Therefore is was sin for them to do it because it wasn't done in faith.

1,122 posted on 01/19/2011 2:01:52 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: topcat54; 1000 silverlings

You were saying?

What are your credentials to make that statement?

Nicotine Addiction
http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=4753

What causes nicotine addiction?

Nicotine is an addictive drug. It causes changes in the brain that make people want to use it more and more. In addition, addictive drugs cause unpleasant withdrawal symptoms. The good feelings that result when an addictive drug is present — and the bad feelings when it’s absent — make breaking any addiction very difficult. Nicotine addiction has historically been one of the hardest addictions to break.


1,123 posted on 01/19/2011 2:04:47 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Judith Anne

My f-i-l was dying from emphysema as result of smoking.

My b-i-l now has if for the same reason.

Matter of fact, everyone I know who has/had emphysema, smoked.

Not everyone who smokes, gets emphysema, but virtually everyone with emphysema, smoked.

My allergist told me smoking was the one factor that that made the difference.

Good luck with that.


1,124 posted on 01/19/2011 2:08:29 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

Emphysema in families often has a genetic component.


1,125 posted on 01/19/2011 2:14:25 PM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Judith Anne

Yes, Dr. JA....

Whatever you say.


1,126 posted on 01/19/2011 2:18:48 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

I am not a doctor. Nor do I play one on the internet. This research is not new, nor is it a secret.


1,127 posted on 01/19/2011 2:20:12 PM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Judith Anne

One other thing I’ve learned about Catholics after living and working with them, is that nobody can tell them anything.

Emphysema is a slow, horrible way to die. My kids, watching their grandfather slowly suffocate to death, vowed to never smoke.

If you want to count on its running in families as protection against it, by all means, nobody is stopping you.

Delude yourself.


1,128 posted on 01/19/2011 2:37:49 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom; Judith Anne

“Emphysema in nonsmokers: alpha 1-antitrypsin deficiency and other causes.
Lee P, Gildea TR, Stoller JK.

Department of Pulmonary and Critical Care Medicine, The Cleveland Clinic Foundation, OH 44195, USA.

Abstract
Nonsmokers with signs of emphysema at an earlier age than is typical for emphysema deserve a workup for one of the less common causes of emphysema, which include alpha 1-antitrypsin deficiency, connective tissue diseases, hypocomplementemic urticarial vasculitis syndrome, intravenous drug use, human immunodeficiency virus infection, and several rare metabolic disorders.”

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12546267

You won’t be able to get the entire article. But the abstract makes it clear.


1,129 posted on 01/19/2011 2:37:57 PM PST by OpusatFR
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To: OpusatFR

I never said it didn’t happen in non-smokers.

The incidence is much higher in smokers.

Have at it if you wish.

I’ll pass and breathe.


1,130 posted on 01/19/2011 2:39:36 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Judith Anne
Yes...I had a man that I met when I was going thru clinicals that had horrible alpha 1-antitrypsin deficiency Emphysema..Turned out he lived a couple blocks from me...and we became friends. One heck of a guy!! I will never forget him!
1,131 posted on 01/19/2011 2:43:30 PM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: metmom; Judith Anne

This is also explanatory and interesting if you have time to read it.

“Genetic epidemiology of COPD
COPD is known to aggregate in families [3–5].
Although familial aggregation could be due to environmental
factors, there is considerable evidence
in favour of a genetic basis for COPD.”
http://www.smw.ch/docs/pdf200x/2002/03/smw-09752.pdf

I saw a 79 year old female who smoked two to two and one-half packs of king size cigarettes daily. No COPD. None present. This was a lifelong smoker. She was also parolled after decades in prison so her nutrition, exercise, and whatever other factors contribute to good health were missing.

Go figure! ( -;


1,132 posted on 01/19/2011 2:45:46 PM PST by OpusatFR
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To: metmom

Anyone who would like some accurate information about emphysema instead of hysterical made up anecdotes can go here:

http://www.enotes.com/public-health-encyclopedia/emphysema


1,133 posted on 01/19/2011 2:47:00 PM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: OpusatFR; Osage Orange; metmom

Obviously I was talking to metmom when I said that about hysterical made up anecdotes. I’ve seen lots of emphysema cases, but they’re usually called COPD, lol.

And there are plenty of smokers who never get sick, too. No explanation for it except heredity, that I know of.


1,134 posted on 01/19/2011 2:54:34 PM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: metmom
Delude yourself.

What? You quit making sense again.

1,135 posted on 01/19/2011 2:56:38 PM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Natural Law

For later reading...


1,136 posted on 01/19/2011 2:57:20 PM PST by DrymChaser (It's amateur hour at the White House, unfortunately it means Curtains for America.)
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To: metmom

add to that my father, my brother, one of my best friends. Watching someone die of emphysema and lung cancer is horrible


1,137 posted on 01/19/2011 3:02:34 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Judith Anne

There’s a genetic factor.

The other interesting one is mesothelioma. That also has a strong genetic component but you’d never know it from the lawyers’ commercials around here.

“Did you work in the shipyard? You may have MESOTHELIOMA!”


1,138 posted on 01/19/2011 3:03:28 PM PST by OpusatFR
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To: OpusatFR

Those commercials, such logic, ie “Did you or someone you know die from “name of disease”


1,139 posted on 01/19/2011 3:05:04 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: 1000 silverlings

” “Did you or someone you know die from “name of disease””

LOLOLOL! I know. Brain trusts there.


1,140 posted on 01/19/2011 3:06:45 PM PST by OpusatFR
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