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The Not So Secret Rapture
reformed.org ^ | W. Fred Rice

Posted on 01/14/2011 5:57:52 PM PST by topcat54

Evangelical book catalogs promote books such as Planet Earth: The Final Chapter, The Great Escape, and the Left Behind series. Bumper stickers warn us that the vehicle’s occupants may disappear at any moment. It is clear that there is a preoccupation with the idea of a secret rapture. Perhaps this has become more pronounced recently due to the expectation of a new millennium and the fears regarding potential Y2K problems. Perhaps psychologically people are especially receptive to the idea of an imminent, secret rapture at the present time. Additionally, many Christians are not aware that any other position relative to the second coming of Jesus Christ exists. Even in Reformed circles there are numerous people reading these books. Many of these people are unaware that this viewpoint conflicts with Scripture and Reformed Theology.

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TOPICS: Theology
KEYWORDS: crusades; endtimes; eschatology; rapture
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To: Quix

“Soooooooo underwhelming!”

Exactly.


1,081 posted on 01/19/2011 10:43:41 AM PST by cinciella
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To: metmom
It’s real life. It happens. It’s what is really going on out there, away from the watchful eye of the vatican.

Really? Such perception. How much time do you spend in Roman Catholic churches? I’m amazed at this level of insight into RC behavior from such an anti-Catholic.

1,082 posted on 01/19/2011 10:44:36 AM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- an error of Biblical proportions.")
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To: cinciella

Thanks for your kind and understanding reply.


1,083 posted on 01/19/2011 10:51:16 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix
I would suggest to Be careful of those fear mongers. All that information is public information that just isn't talked about much on main stream news.

1,084 posted on 01/19/2011 10:52:42 AM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: cinciella; topcat54
But there's always been only ONE people of God - those who have been saved by grace through faith in either the coming of or the arrival of Jesus Christ.

"Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing." -- 2 Timothy 4:8

OT saints were saved by the same grace as NT saints. It's all about Christ. Period. Now. Then. Tomorrow. Forever.

"There is neither Jew nor Greek...for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." - Gal. 3:28

1,085 posted on 01/19/2011 10:53:19 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Quix; caww; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...
Christ DIED FOR RELATIONSHIP NOT for a tyrannical gestapo ran monolithic, glorifying man (graduated or not) monstrosity!

This cannot be emphasized enough - The whole name of the game is to return Adam to the garden - A direct one-on-one relationship with God - Which is not possible today without the covering Blood of Christ (because our sin makes us unable to approach Him otherwise).

Good post.

1,086 posted on 01/19/2011 10:57:53 AM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: topcat54; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; ..

I was baptized a Catholic and grew up a Catholic.

All my extended family is Catholic.

I have relatives who were/are clergy in the Catholic church.

Most of my classmates in school were Catholic, and most of my co-workers for over 10 years were Catholic.

The only conclusion I can come to about FRoman Catholics is that as a whole, is that they are way out of touch with mainstream Catholicism.

There are other ex-Catholics on this board who will concur with what I’ve said about Catholic beliefs and behavior. They have in the past, so I know they can do it.

And such is the accusations on the Mormon threads. I’m not anti-Catholic. My heart goes out to those still trapped by the deception peddled in that church in the name of Christ. I want to see them set free.

I’m anti-Catholicism. I oppose the telling of false doctrine as truth that the Catholic church engages in.


1,087 posted on 01/19/2011 11:19:54 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: MarkBsnr; boatbums

How did God judge Lot?


1,088 posted on 01/19/2011 11:21:41 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: MarkBsnr; boatbums

Or David?


1,089 posted on 01/19/2011 11:22:02 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Steve Van Doorn

It is certainly wise to be cautious about fear mongers/-ering.

However, a watchman’s job is still to sound the alarm/alert.

I suspect you might draw the lines, in managing such a job, a bit differently.

I think John Moore’s stuff is good because so much of the information is publicly available.

Perhaps I’m missing some point in your caution. If so, please spell it out more plainly.


1,090 posted on 01/19/2011 11:22:31 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Quite so.

And those are the applicable Scriptures in a list of contexts; regarding a list of God’s purposes etc. etc. etc.

AND . . .

God WILL STILL HONOR HIS PROMISES TO THE BLOOD CHILDREN OF ABRAHAM, ISSAC AND JACOB.


1,091 posted on 01/19/2011 11:24:06 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: roamer_1

Thanks for your kind affirmation.

Of course, I agree entirely with your wording.


1,092 posted on 01/19/2011 11:24:51 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: metmom

Well put.

LUB


1,093 posted on 01/19/2011 11:25:44 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: metmom
And such is the accusations on the Mormon threads. I’m not anti-Catholic. My heart goes out to those still trapped by the deception peddled in that church in the name of Christ. I want to see them set free. I’m anti-Catholicism. I oppose the telling of false doctrine as truth that the Catholic church engages in.

It's akin to the homosexual crowd screaming "hatemonger" when you simply attempt to have a logical dialog about it. I'm not anti-Catholic either. I've even stated that I appreciate and honor their relentless pro-life work. They probably do more to fight abortion than any protestant faith. That said, I can not and will not tolerate any excuses with regard to the abuse of children. Nor will I accept any church, clergy or saint as a path to salvation. Jesus Christ is my sole redeemer.
1,094 posted on 01/19/2011 11:27:56 AM PST by TSgt (Colonel Allen West & Michele Bachman - 2012 POTUS Dream Team Ticket!)
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To: TSgt

Amen! You can’t put it any more succinctly than that.

I also appreciate their outspoken stand about the sanctity of marriage and against homosexual marriage.

On noes! Does that make me anti-gay? Or a hatemonger, too?


1,095 posted on 01/19/2011 11:32:30 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: topcat54
In any event, there is no justification for using racial language in the body of Christ, now or in the future.

AMEN!

1,096 posted on 01/19/2011 11:53:10 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Quix
Amen Doctor. All the saved are only saved thru Jesus Christ period.

Jesus said that He had come here to save the lost sheep of the House of Israel, the ones who had left the Davidic kingdom under Jeroboam. He said "I must needs go to Samaria", the seat of the House of Israel. By preaching there and by sending the disciples there, he fulfilled the prophecy in Ezekiel 37 about uniting the stick of Joseph to the stick of Judah. One Israel in Christ. That is the only Israel saved.

Now if somebody wants a piece of desert over the spiritual riches of the Kingdom, that person is confused

1,097 posted on 01/19/2011 11:54:57 AM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: 1000 silverlings
All the saved are only saved thru Jesus Christ period. Jesus said that He had come here to save the lost sheep of the House of Israel, the ones who had left the Davidic kingdom under Jeroboam. He said "I must needs go to Samaria", the seat of the House of Israel. By preaching there and by sending the disciples there, he fulfilled the prophecy in Ezekiel 37 about uniting the stick of Joseph to the stick of Judah. One Israel in Christ. That is the only Israel saved.

Now if somebody wants a piece of desert over the spiritual riches of the Kingdom, that person is confused

AMEN!

Dirt is not holy. Dirt is not the reward waiting all who have been given grace through faith in His word. Dirt is not the goal.

In Christ and Christ within is the only goal.

1,098 posted on 01/19/2011 12:00:34 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: topcat54

“In any event, there is no justification for using racial language in the body of Christ, now or in the future.”

As I’ve said before, Paul himself addressed the Gentiles within the Church, so he himself made the distinction.

When I’m speaking of the Jews, I’m speaking of those not presently part of the Body of Christ. I’m pretty sure even for Gary DeMar fans that it’s perfectly appropriate to call them “Jews”.


1,099 posted on 01/19/2011 12:09:21 PM PST by cinciella
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To: Quix
My way of looking at a threat level needs to be weighted with statistical averages.
The chance of a solar flare destroying or greatly damaging the earth in our life time is remote at best.

More likely we will have some down time on the Internet and slow Internet connections in the next couple years from damaged satellites.

But to worry the earth is going to have some great catastrophe is so remote it isn’t being realistic.

I know you follow SunkenCiv great disaster pings there are a hundred if not hundreds of ways the earth can be totally destroyed and most of them are always pending. Will one of them happen in our life? You would have better odds hitting the lottery 3 times in a row with only three tickets.

1,100 posted on 01/19/2011 12:11:09 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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