Joseph Smith: An Apostle of Jesus Christ

1,001 posted on 01/03/2011 2:53:10 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")

Oh...

I only had about 0.001% to do with THIS!

Someone else put all the time and effort into it!

1,002 posted on 01/03/2011 2:53:49 PM PST by Elsie

Godzilla Oh we've discussed this on several occasions, however your interpretations are severely 'challenged' regarding who won or lost.

It's so sad to hear a giant lizard bleating... Again.
Chews up drive space as an vehicle of mormon proselytizing.

So, you think I should post this over and over? I'm sure Jim would rather have it all in one place and referenced because he sees how much DB space re-posts use up, links are tiny in comparison, trust me, your a geologist, I'm a computer nerd. For once, just take my word for it.

Lurkers will note - scriptural interpretation is poorly developed among some mormon apologists. In this instance, it is further compounded by a blinding obedience to a dead prophet.

Yawn, really, can you bleat softer...Zzz.

Anyone who cares, Matthew 5:31-32 KJV has Jesus condemning Divorce and calling remarriage of the divorced adultery.

Now, Godzilla, you big prehistoric lizard, post a similar scripture where Jesus condemns polygamy as adultery. I double dog dare you!

(He can'r because Jesus never said it)

Lurkers will note, within the context of divorce, Jesus also clarifies the context of adultery (woops, DU missed that one, didn't he).

I wouldn't say I was "missing" it Bob, um Godzilla.

Here is what Jesus REALLY said

For someone who cares about hard drive space, you sure don't link much...

Jesus stated only ONE condition for divorce - marital infidelity. In Jesus' eyes, divorce under any other condition was invalid an the two were still married. Thus if one or the other marries under this invalid divorce, it becomes adultery.

Yep, so marriage to someone else after divorce is adultery...Divorce for anything other than Infidelity...Adultery, Got it (Already had it...).

What DU apparently fails to recognize is that for the case of the man, now 'married' to TWO women (ie polygamy) is not sanctioned by Jesus but repudiated as adultery.

So in your opinion, Jesus is saying if a man gets a divorce and then remarries is the same as staying married and getting married again...

You do know that a lot of people now days get divorced and remarried who would never think of just staying married and adding a wife, right? (Just checking)

So, they and I disagree with you that there is no difference. I wold say that Jesus is saying, if you can't keep the first wife, you don'r deserve a second one. Hey, i know as long as we are adding to the Bible, maybe we should just say that Jesus thinks... Wait we're not supposed to add to the Bible are we... I just don't see the word polygamy in there, because it's not in there.

BTW, good 'law abiding' prophet smith broke the law when he began mormon polygamy and that violation of the law continued until wilson's revelation.

So, were the Indians Breaking the Law when they had more than one Squaw? if so what law?

The Edmunds–Tucker Act being passed in 1887, was in court being challenged for three years and was not in force until 1890, and was repealed (since it was unconstitutional) in 1978.

Joseph smith died (we believe martyred...) in 1844.

The city of Nauvoo was allowed by it's charter to supersede the laws of the state if it so desired.

Nauvoo had no law against polygamy.

These are facts. There was no "law" for Joseph to break, he died before the Federal law was passed. You could argue that what he did was immoral, but appeals to the Bible have not worked out well for you in the past either.

Joseph was not breaking any law by having a polygamous marriage.

Spin, spin and spin Du. LOL?

Bleat Bleat and Bleat again, Godzilla, it's so embarrassing to watch you fail on this yet again.

Anyone who cares, there's a whole bunch here

Delph

1,003 posted on 01/03/2011 2:55:04 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")

That same OMM was the first mormon to call me a “Triniterian”

Id never heard the term before and it was and is used as an “N” word by mormons against Christians...

I notice that no mormons in these threads ever accepts the Trinity...but rejects God..

The Holy Three in One ...

There are three that bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 1 John 5:7

The Mo Tab even change the words of Holy Holy Holy and never sing

God in Three Persons Blessed Trinity...

Apparantly their exalted ambition is to be “the nations choir” only...and be applauded by men...

Their “desires-of-the-heart” dont include singing for God...

1,004 posted on 01/03/2011 2:55:11 PM PST by Tennessee Nana

To: Paragon Defender

Shown the truth they just yell they don’t see it. Their choice.

When asked to merely show just one truth that we have failed to see, you don't do it. Your choice.

1,005 posted on 01/03/2011 2:56:06 PM PST by Elsie

To: T Minus Four

Thanks. I’ve never posted a caucus thread (don’t think I’ve ever posted ANY religion threads). And I would never post a caucus thread — my purpose in posting a thread is to encourage discussion, and caucus threads seem to be antithetical to that purpose.

1,006 posted on 01/03/2011 2:56:34 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT

"Can’t get away from a thread of people crapping on my religion? No thanks, I have more pressing things to do, like organizing my sock drawer or cleaning out the cat litter box."

Don't forget that during the primaries when RINO/CINO("C"hristian) Romney is campaigning.

1,007 posted on 01/03/2011 2:57:17 PM PST by SENTINEL (Mormonism...from Ezra Taft Benson to Reid and Romney in only one generation.)

It was the best decision I ever made.

So far.

If my ANTI-Mormon stance is way off the mark; and you MORMONs have chosen correctly; then you'll snatch me from the fire after I'm dead.

You guys, however...

1,008 posted on 01/03/2011 2:58:11 PM PST by Elsie

There is absolutely nothing that makes your ‘witness’ any more valid than MHG’s or even mine DU. It washes out in the end.

Actually, there is.

I promise people they can have the same answer as mine if they will just follow the steps, I teach people to pray.

Anti's collectively and you two specifically have taught people not to pray but to rely on your analysis. Bad move, but fitting for a 666 post.

Delph

1,009 posted on 01/03/2011 2:58:13 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")

To: Cymbaline; Elsie

Can’t get away from a thread of people crapping on my religion?

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Then it is time to get a new religion. Or better yet, get rid of ‘religion’ completely and just trust Christ of the Bible.

1,010 posted on 01/03/2011 2:58:51 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")

“Joseph Smith should not have packed heat”

1,011 posted on 01/03/2011 3:00:26 PM PST by Tennessee Nana

So your answer is to follow none of the law?

that makes no sense.

Delph

1,012 posted on 01/03/2011 3:00:26 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")

If you are going to follow part of the law, you need to follow ALL of the Law and that is impossible.

So your answer is to follow none of the law?

that makes no sense.

Delph

1,013 posted on 01/03/2011 3:00:40 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")

I’m not a Romney fan.

1,014 posted on 01/03/2011 3:00:45 PM PST by Cymbaline ("Allahu Akbar": Arabic for "Nothing To See Here" - Mark Steyn)

My religion is none of your business.

1,015 posted on 01/03/2011 3:02:07 PM PST by Cymbaline ("Allahu Akbar": Arabic for "Nothing To See Here" - Mark Steyn)

Always, my friend. Always.

LOOK! They are ganging up on us!)

1,016 posted on 01/03/2011 3:02:55 PM PST by Elsie

To: DelphiUser; Godzilla

I promise people they can have the same answer as mine if they will just follow the steps, I teach people to pray.

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Show me where the Bible teaches us to pray to know truth? C’mon show me. The Bible never says we are to pray about it to know if it is true. Therefore, praying about the BoM is unbiblical as well.

“following the steps” is what leads people into convincing themselves that Mormonism is true. It isn’t of God.

And analysis has its merits. The facts clearly show that the BoM is a fraud. Who needs to pray about that?

Do you pray to know if liberalism is true?

1,017 posted on 01/03/2011 3:03:00 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")

We believe that Jesus has placed His authority in the Church by delegating the keys of the kingdom to His earthly servants — this was the same authority the Christ gave to Peter in the ancient Church.
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Do the same “we” also “believe” that women are as entitled to be “delegated the keys” as men ???

1,018 posted on 01/03/2011 3:03:00 PM PST by Tennessee Nana

Very true. But I am starting to think that individual rank and file are possessed. It would explain much.

1,019 posted on 01/03/2011 3:03:44 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")

To: count-your-change

I wish to make the deity of Christ the litmus test. Jesus was put to death for claiming equality God, after all. Even his enemies acknowledged that. If you don’t acknowledge it, does that make you even less than an enemy of Christ? Maybe so. It makes for a good litmus test. And I’m not the only one who draws the line there, which is why I brought up C.S. Lewis.

If YOU have a problem with all of christendom and history, then maybe YOU should examine the facts more carefully.

1,020 posted on 01/03/2011 3:04:07 PM PST by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)

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