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What are you trying to put pass me silly one...

NEVER, lucifer is not a human being, never was, never will be, but a different creation all together. Because of his place infront of God, there was no excuse for his rebellion, nor any provision for any grace. His was a form of the unpardonable sin.

Humanity is a separate creation from the angels. I know mormonism doesn’t teach that, but you asked MY interpretation as a Christian.

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This scripture is very clear

Job 38

7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Isa 14
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Lucifer was one of the sons of God

BTW

Rev. 22: 16
16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

This scripture is very clear

THIS one is NOT!

"Mother; I have learned that PRESBYTERIANism is not true."

This scripture is very clear

THESE are too!

1 Timothy 3:2-3
2. Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
3. not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.

1 Timothy 3:12
A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.

Titus 1:6
An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.

BEHOLD!!!! The Restorative Power of the Book of Mormon!!

THE BOOK OF JACOB
THE BROTHER OF NEPHI

CHAPTER 2

24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.
32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.

TRUTH IGNORED

Smith, Young, Taylor, Pratt, Snow, Kimbal,l Woodruff ...

This scripture is very clear

THIS is too!

THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS

SECTION 132

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded July 12, 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, as also plurality of wives. HC 5: 501–507. Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.

58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.

58 Now, as touching the law of the ^apriesthood, there are many things pertaining thereunto.

59 Verily, if a man be called of my Father, as was ^aAaron, by mine own voice, and by the voice of him that ^bsent me, and I have endowed him with the ^ckeys of the power of this priesthood, if he do anything in my name, and according to my law and by my word, he will not commit ^dsin, and I will justify him.

60 Let no one, therefore, set on my servant Joseph; for I will justify him; for he shall do the sacrifice which I require at his hands for his transgressions, saith the Lord your God.

61 And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse ^aanother, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.

62 And if he have ^aten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified.

63 But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto him to ^amultiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be ^bglorified.

64 And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, if any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches unto her the law of my priesthood, as pertaining to these things, then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God; for I will destroy her; for I will magnify my name upon all those who receive and abide in my law.

65 Therefore, it shall be lawful in me, if she receive not this law, for him to receive all things whatsoever I, the Lord his God, will give unto him, because she did not believe and administer unto him according to my word; and she then becomes the transgressor; and he is exempt from the law of Sarah, who administered unto Abraham according to the law when I commanded Abraham to take ^aHagar to wife.

66 And now, as pertaining to this law, verily, verily, I say unto you, I will reveal more unto you, hereafter; therefore, let this suffice for the present. Behold, I am Alpha and Omega. Amen.

And yet the Salt Lake City MORMONs are AFRAID of the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT and do NOT follow what their GOD so plainly commanded them to do!

This scripture is very clear

HOW can be ASSURED of that when your FOUNDER says that certain parts of the BIBLE are NOT translated correctly?

Resty, are you trying to sow confusion or do you really want to know how to reconcile the confusion in your post?...

You offered the following from Revelations:

Rev. 22: 16 16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

But prior to that passage, you offered another assignment for the identity:

Isa 14 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

Because you are a devout Mormon, I will take your post to be an effort to defend the notion that Jesus and Lucifer are brothers, designated in your quoted passages as 'morning stars' who sang together as the sons of god shouted for joy. Then you compound the confusion by stating, "Lucifer was one of the sons of God." So, Resty, was this Lucifer to whom you refer one of the morning stars, or was this Lucifer one of the sons of god? I hope you see the duplicitous nature of your post, because if you actually believe you have made some profound discovery which supports the Mormonism heresies that Jesus and Lucifer were/are brothers, then you are about to be very disappointed. Here's why: The passage from Isaiah 14 as it existed from around 600 BC to the fourth century when St. Jerome translated the Septuagint into Latin, producing the Latin Vulgate edition, did not have the name Lucifer in it. It could not have since 'Lucifer' is a Latin name and Latin didn't even exist in Isaiah's day.

Additionally, if you read the passage in Isaiah and read the preceding chapter and subsequent verse from where you lifted your supposed proof text, you will perhaps understand that Isaiah was referring to a Babylonian king who had been vexing the Israelites, a man who strutted his stuff in shining raiment before the palace denizens. It is this king whom Isaiah refers to as fallen from his self-appointed lofty perch.

And finally, if you choose to cite Revelations 22:16, and we would presume that you meant for that to refer to Jesus not your 'Lucifer', then what do you make of the designation in Isaiah which you quoted as handed down int he King James edition, since you have asserted that Lucifer is a son of god? I'm sorry to have to break this to you, but you have sown confusion and assumed facts not in evidence. Thus you are trying to teach error.

Your Joseph Smith supposedly offered a direct quote from Isaiah of 600BC writing, as uttered from the mouth of one of Smith's imaginary Nephites referring to Hebrew scripture. Of course Smith was merely quoting from the King James Bible where the name designation made by Jerome int he fourth century used a Latin name to refer to the description Isaiah was giving of the fallen Babylonian king who presumed to make of himself more than he was by dressing himself in clothes that would reflect huge amounts of light, making his appear to shine, glisten, radiate light.

This same erroneous designation of Lucifer (name derives from the Latin term lucem ferre) is found in Smith's imaginative Pearl of Greta Price and the Doctrines and Covenants.

Resty, your trying to assert that an imaginary being is a brother to Word made flesh Who dwelt among us. But it is not surprising, once the methodology and faulty doctrines of Mormonism are understood. I pray someday you awaken to the Truth that your self-proclaimed prophet, Joseph Smith, fabricated a great lie and piled upon that great lie a myriad of follow-up lies to support his imaginings, which lies have lead you astray but from which you finally escaped.

What are you trying to put pass me silly one...

Absolutely none of the verses you posted counter what the bible says. Angels and humans are not the same species, not the same ontologically, nor are they the same creation.

Lucifer was one of the sons of God

Lucifer was an angel.. that is a completely different creation of God than men.

Lucifer was one of the sons of God
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No Lucifer was never a son of God...

God only ever had one begotten son, the LORD Jesus Christ...

Lucifer was never human or God...

Lucifer was a created being, an angel who was the music director in Heaven...

He thought he was greater than God and rebelled ...

he convinved 1/3 of the angels to rebel with him...

God picked him up and tossed him out of Heaven along with thise 1/3 angels who rebelled with him...

Lucifer became Satan the devil and the 1/3 angels became demons...

Lucifer/Satan is never to be worshipped or obeyed...he has nothing to do with God...

Lucifer/Satan is evil...he lies all the time...and tempts humans to rebel against God and sin...

Lucifer/Satan wants to keep as many humans out of Heaven as he can...

The end of Lucifer/Satan and his demons is a pit of fire...