Galatians 3
1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. 2Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? 3Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? 4 Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? 5Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— 6just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?
7Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. 8And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” 9So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
10For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” 11Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” 12But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— 14so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.
Works are a result of salvation to glorify God. They don’t earn salvation. Faith does that.
John 10:37&38 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. [Jesus is clearly teaching that without God's Spirit within, the works are not authored by God! The poster would rather work his way to worthiness because he believes the lies of Mormonism. Jesus is also teaching that the works are evidence that God is within, affirming what James wrote that first fiath then God comes into the human spirit to fashion the works of righteousness. Don't expect the poster admit to this very profound truth straight from Jesus.]
Stourme you are getting confused again from all of your spinning again. DIdn't you earlier claim that Christ did not die for the UNGODLY. Now you are making essentially the opposite statement - the he DID die for the ungodly. Confusion reigns in the mind of the mormon apologist.
I'm not sure what Bible you're using but that's not John 6:28.
LOL, look at this metmom, he really is in a tail spin-
Metmom version
28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”
Stoume version
28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
Apparently stourme cannot tell the difference between the NIV and KJV and even SEE that they say the same essential thing. LOL and stourme sez you've been deceived mm LOL.
No one is saying they do. Jesus Christ saves us. Jesus has requirements that must be met or He will not save us.
Lurkers will note that this is the crux of the deception. You have to be 'worthy' and 'godly' (essentially completely sinless within your life by your efforts) BEFORE Jesus will "save" you. Stourme likes to put the words of Jesus out there - ignoring what comes first - faith/salvation or works. Typically mormon, he gets them backwards. What does Jesus say -
John 3: 16* For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jesus speaks of no WORKS, no ORDINANCES, no temple sealings, not marriage, not even tithing - but faith expressed as belief. Since stourme claims to be a believer in looking at the whole bible Paul writes:
Ro 5:15* But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
To meet requirements is a wage, an obligation. Wages and obligations are the opposite of FREE, and a free GIFT at that. Do you pay for your gifts to you at Christmas in order to get it? For most of us the answer is no. From what stourme says, for mormons it is yes. Make that child earn the $$ for that bicycle you are going to 'GIVE' them on Christmas.
This brings us back to the point stourme has dodged all day that Paul addressed a few verses earlier -
Rom 5: 6* For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
7* For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
8* But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Christ died for the ungodly - nothing to 'merit' that death - nothing to 'earn' merit for that salvation. Stourme would do well to remember what else Paul wrote in this book
Ro 11:6* And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
It is grace by which we are saved - no qualifying works necessary. Perhaps a reminder from God how he views these works of righteousness
Isa 64:6* But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
If stourme does his homework, he will see that the phrase "filthy rags" is more literally rendered bloodied menstrual cloths - probably the LEAST clean thing under the mosaic law. It is these 'works' that stourme wants to claim are acceptable to Jesus in order to be saved.
Sadly, mm, this is a case or mormonitus to the max. Only enough biblical study to promote the 'twistyanity' of mormon doctrines - while being ignorant to the rest of what scripture has to say on the subject. Playing loosy-goosy with context where it benefits them, discounting context where it destroys their arguments.
Well, the posting here today have shown the shallowness of the mormon interpretation of the scriptures to the max.
And just what ARE there 'requirements'?
I can produce a list of MORMON ones if you can't find Jesus'.
And just what will happen to a person if these 'requirements' are not kept?
Ignore my last question and just SHOW the Scripture that this assertion comes from.
OK; I think I get it now:
SAVED by Grace;
KEPT by Works.
Paul taught:
2 Timothy 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
In turn the Apostles chose men like Timothy, Timothy chose Bishops and deacons, these were all to be men and women of good works.
Would any one want the church to be run by people with out good works?
Was every one chosen to be a bishop or deacon or any kind of worker in the church? no, they had to be people of good works.
There were also other qualifications.
Tim ch 5, v 9,10
Let not a widow be taken into the number under threescore years old, having been the wife of one man,
Well reported of for good works; if she have brought up children,
if she have lodged strangers, if she have washed the saints’ feet, if she have relieved the afflicted, if she have diligently followed every good work.
People with out these qualifications was not to be in the church, they were not to be members, bodily speaking.
Titus ch 5,thu 8
For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:
For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;
The apostles were not so naive that they thought they could tell the whole world what works they should do and what they should not do, but they had authority over the church and they said who was to be members and who should not be members of the church body.
It was their job to preach the gospel to all the world, not to make every one church members, and they have done it.
Now its up to each one of us and God, Only God knows our hearts.