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To: metmom
The poster put up the scripture passage which refutes his specious assertion but he can never allow himself to comprehend it:

John 10:37&38 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. [Jesus is clearly teaching that without God's Spirit within, the works are not authored by God! The poster would rather work his way to worthiness because he believes the lies of Mormonism. Jesus is also teaching that the works are evidence that God is within, affirming what James wrote that first fiath then God comes into the human spirit to fashion the works of righteousness. Don't expect the poster admit to this very profound truth straight from Jesus.]

235 posted on 11/07/2010 4:52:56 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN; Stourme

Christ died for the UNGODLY placemarker

[Stourme, you somehow failed to respond to all the posts upthread that documented the truth that Christ died for
the UNGODLY - not the “worthy” ...]


236 posted on 11/07/2010 4:58:20 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: MHGinTN; Stourme
Nor can works ever give any guarantee of salvation because you never know if you've done enough.

Matthew 5:20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

Notice here that John says that God GAVE us eternal live, past tense. We already possess it and it is given only through His Son. And John wrote what he did so that we may KNOW that we have eternal life. God wants us to be sure.

1 John 5:11 And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. 13I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.

Salvation is by faith so that no one can boast. When it's by works, that leaves room for pride and boasting, that one was good enough to do it. Then God doesn't get the glory, man does, and God will not share His glory with another.

Ephesians 2 1 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. 4But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ— by grace you have been saved— 6and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

8For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

238 posted on 11/07/2010 5:04:19 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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