Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7
hilarious! Semper reformanda translates as “always being reformed” which is a good descriptio of the sola crowd, always rewriting scripture to their own image!
and trying to answer every possible misunderstanding would make the Bible into a set volumes like an encyclopedia, just look at what the Talmud became.
Nobody is rewriting Scripture. We read it as written. We don't amend it by calling some made up teaching *tradition* to justify adding something to the written Word of God that wasn't there in the first place.
Hilarious...
Catholics make knowing God far more complicated than it needs to be and ought to be.
It’s all about Jesus. If they’d just toss all the extraneous *tradition* stuff, they’d find their lives much simpler and freer, and closer to the truth of God’s Word.
Mother of God. She must be really old. Um, where is the term *Mother of God* found in Scripture?
It's sad to see all the hoops RC's jump thru to escape the obvious that Mary had other children. She was actually married to a husband, not a room mate.
All this fuss over a theologically irrelevant doctrine too boot.
Me thinks that the early church might have framed Mary in this way to attract the goddess worship crowd like in Ephesus.
Powerful! Praise the Lord.
That happened to me. When I sought the truth from God in a prayer, I had no intentions of leaving the Catholic Church, it never even crossed my mind.
I've heard this a lot and seen it in my own family.
I've learned that if I have the opportunity to witness to a RC to never bring up the idea of joining an Evangelical church. In the case of my FIL I just kept inviting him to join us for Sunday service. I've been blessed to have a pastor that really preaches The Gospel and calls on all non believers to believe every Sunday. My FIL heard The Gospel and believed.
Amen
Me too!
Nobody said that and nobody implied that. WE don't claim that Mary is co-Redemptrix. That's your territory.
Why do you think that Mary being perpetually virgin is relevant to YOUR salvation?
Recall that Satan first posed as an agnostic in the garden, asking,
“Is it really so that God has said you must not eat from every tree of the garden?”.
How cruel and unjust of Him!!!
Eve refutes Satan’s assertion but it doesn’t matter since he knew better anyway. It provides an opportunity to call God a liar,
“You positively WILL NOT die”. And Satan adds that God is selfishly keeping the really good stuff for Himself...a supposed mystery revealed!
By Job’s day the slander included all of humankind, they only serve God for what they are promised later. sounds familiar. Satan says God isn’t lovable unto Himself, He has to buy devotion, take away the goodies and they’ll leave.
That refuted, Satan becomes more insulting and accusative,
“Skin on behalf of skin”, Satan waxes poetic...make him hurt a little bit and he’ll curse you to your face. “YOU make Job suffer” and thus arbitrarily give and take.
There are a few that claim it was Satan getting the bad rap all through history when he really wasn’t all that bad.
I’m always reminded of the character O’Brien who tortures Winston in Orwell’s 1984. Winston at some point says that talking to O’Brien is like arguing with someone who may be more intelligent than you but is also completely insane.
THE WORKS OF SATISFACTION It [the council] teaches furthermore that the liberality of the divine munificence is so great that we are able through Jesus Christ to make satisfaction to God the Father not only by punishments voluntarily undertaken by ourselves to atone for sins, or by those imposed by the judgment of the priest according to the measure of our offense, but also, and this is the greatest proof of love, by the temporal afflictions imposed by God and borne patiently by us.
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Satan is still using the same old lies and still getting mileage out of them. Instead of using the serpent, he uses the atheist and agnostic.
Ephesians 6:12
For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.
We need to remember the source of the lies.
Someone posed this question or comment:
“Incidentally, if you think Mary having other children is important for your salvation,..”
In its self it’s not, but being truthful and faithful to God’s word is, it being called “truth” by Christ himself.
And Mary having other children gives us the right understanding of other Scriptures so we’re not led into accepting pagan adulterations and false traditions about God’s word.
One has to get the basics right in order to progress.
Indeed!
These conversations get more and more twisted as they go Metmom....some attempting to confuse and distract from your comments by wrapping pieces of twine around perfectly clear and stated comments, strongly supported in scripture. But Gods word cannot be held back....it goes out and accomplishes exactly the purposes He intends it to. Keep up your good work....and the focus you have of getting His word to ears and eyes who want to hear His truth.
Yes, it does appear that was part of the equation then. When one sees the Haitians practice of the catholic faith it is more voodoo and spirit worship wrapped in the cloak of the catholic faith, but in reality they are practicing voodoo. ..... So not surprisingly the early church would have attempted to bring in the Pagan Goddess followers by 'framing' Mary as superior to their "queen mother"...which they called their Goddess.
Just enough Jesus added to give it the appearance of legitimacy. Kind of what the Catholic church allows anywhere.
That even appears to be what happened in the early years of the Catholic church as its doctrine was being established, between the writing of the NT and Constantine.
The problem is, luring people in with half-truths and lies corrupts the message and the lies are never purged but become part and parcel with the doctrine.
You mean "he describes himself" in the book that you believe is his book. How is that different form, say a Hindu who says his god describes himself as something else in Hindu holy books?
His words, not mine
How do you know that?
God is a who, not a what. He is a being, not a thing
If God is a person, that God is also a what. What is divine? How do you recognize divine?
Exactly....and then the debates over truth begin. A Pastor once preached about the error of the Christian churches in inviting the unsaved into the congregations. The Church is a body of "believers" ment to worship the Lord, and be equipped to go out into the world. Instead we have not only invited the unsaved in but they are on boards which determine the way the church should go, bringing with them worldly ideas and agendas. Thus even Protestant and other churches of faith struggle rather than be a force for Christ. We have forgotten what "Onward Christian soldiers" is about...and have invited the enemies of Christ to establish a bulkhead within our camps.
Oy, more sophism! Nature refers to a physical world, visible or invisible. The best way to describe my statement "our nature is material" and lighten up this Cromwellian Court is to say gorillas have big nostrils because they have big fingers!
Our nature is not abstract, transcendental, esoteric, etc., but material and finite. Our keyboards have to be big enough for us to type, our furniture is determined by our size, our sounds systems to our hearing range, our optics to the spectral wavelengths visible to the human eye, our drugs to our metabolic makeup; unlike insects, we are subject to gravity more than to surface tension, which determines how we build things, etc. All that because of our physical and chemical makeup.
This is not really very difficult, so let's not use sophism or try to be obtuse, please. I can see this is as leading to another dead-end exchange because for some reason we have a definitional problem. If that's the case, I am not interested in beating a dead horse. I use words as they are defined. I'd suggest you do likewise. Otherwise this discussion is exhausted. Thank you.
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