Posted on 10/15/2010 5:39:02 PM PDT by delacoert
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Most of us have had a Mormon Missionary knock at our door. If you have ever invited them in and listened to a presentation of their beliefs, you probably found most but not all of what they said very similar to those beliefs held by Christians. However, while trying to convince you that your Church is wrong and the Mormon Church is right, there are several points they intentionally leave out. Below is a list of Mormon beliefs the missionaries will be reluctant to tell you about: |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that the God they worship was not always God. |
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"We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 345) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that they believe Jesus Christ is the spirit brother of Satan: |
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"The appointment of Jesus to be the Savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God. He was called Lucifer, son of the morning. Haughty, ambitious, and covetous of power and glory, this spirit-brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the Savior of mankind." (Milton R. Hunter, Gospel Through the Ages, pg.15) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that, according to Mormonism, Jesus Christ was a polygamist. |
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"I discover that some of the Eastern papers represent me as a great blasphemer, because I said, in my lecture on Marriage, at our last Conference, that Jesus Christ was married at Cana of Galilee, that Mary, Martha, and others were his wives, and that he begat children." (Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses 2:210) |
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The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, causing his crucifixion, was evidently based upon polygamy, according to the testimony of the philosophers who rose in that age. A belief in the doctrine of a plurality of wives caused the persecution of Jesus and his followers. We might almost think they were 'Mormons'" (Jedediah M. Grant, Journal of Discourses, 1:346) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that for at least half a century church leaders were teaching that Adam was really God and the only God with whom we have to do. |
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"Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner! When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of Days! about whom holy men have written and spoken--He is our Father, and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do." (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 1:50) |
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"I have learned by experience that there is but one God that pertains to this people and he is the god that pertains to this earth--The first man. That first man sent his own son to redeem the world..."(Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 4:1) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that Brigham Young, who held the office of President of the Mormon church longer than any other man, taught that men must practice polygamy in order to become Gods. |
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"The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy." (Journal of Discourses 11:269) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that the book of Mormon fails to contain any Mormon doctrine |
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Many portions of this Mormon Scripture even contradicts Mormon theology. |
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They will be reluctant to tell you about their secret temple ceremonies which, until April 1990, portrayed Christian ministers as hirelings of Satan. Nor will they tell you about the sacred underwear they are wearing which, they believe, actually protects them. |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that Mormon leaders have taught that Jesus was conceived by way of a sexual relationship between God and Mary. |
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"..how are children begotten? I answer just as Jesus Christ was begotten of his father. The difference between Jesus Christ and other men is this: Our fathers in the flesh are mortal men, who are subject unto death: but the Father of Jesus Christ in the flesh is the god of Heaven" (Joseph F. Smith, Family Home Evening Manual, 1972, pg. 125) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that they believe the bible has been corrupted throughout the centuries and cannot be trusted fully by itself. |
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"I believe the Bible as it read when it came from the pen of the original writers. Ignorant translators, careless transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests have committed many errors." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph smith, pg.327) |
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"But the Bible has been robbed of its plainness; many sacred books having been lost, others rejected by the Romish Church, and what few we have left, were copied and recopied so many times, that it is admitted that almost every verse has been corrupted and mutilated to that degree that any two of them read alike." (Orson Pratt, The Seer, pg.213) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants, which they claim to be both sacred and without error, contradict each other many times. |
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For example, in the Book of Mormon, God called David and Solomon's act of polygamy an abomination, whereas in the Doctrine and Covenants He claims to justify it. Jacob 2:24 in the Book of Mormon says, "Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord." Section 132:1 in the Doctrine and Covenants, however, states: "Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you my servant Joseph, that inasmuch as you have inquired of my hand to know and understand wherein I, the Lord, justified my servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as also Moses, David and Solomon, my servants, as touching the principle and doctrine of their having many wives and concubines." |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that they use Christian terms with Mormon meanings. |
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For example, a Mormon would probably agree with you that a person must be born again. To the Mormon, however, "born again" is a process which begins with water baptism. Another example are the words "salvation" and exaltation," which are synonymous in the Christian's mind. However, general salvation to the Mormon merely means the resurrection which everyone in the world will receive at death. Exaltation, or individual salvation, is the reward earned by the Mormon by following the laws of the Moron church. "Eternal Life" to the Mormon means Godhood. Regarding the word "scriptures," the Christian thinks of the Holy Bible while the Mormon could be thinking of not only the Bible but the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of Great Price as well. |
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They won't want to tell you that in order to gain entrance into the highest form of Mormon heaven, the Celestial kingdom, you must accept Joseph Smith, Jr. as a prophet of god. Faith in Jesus alone, Mormonism teaches, will force you to spend eternity in a lower form of heaven. |
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Tenth LDS President Joseph Fielding Smith stated in his book, doctrines of Salvation, that there is "No salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. The word "salvation," used in this context, must really mean "exaltation" because former Mormon apostle Bruce R. McConkie stated in his book Mormon Doctrine that general salvation is given to everyone regardless of belief. Personal salvation or exaltation to the highest form of Mormon heaven comes only by accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of god and by following the laws of the LDS church. |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that their founder, Joseph Smith, Jr., made many false prophecies which, according to the Bible, would classify him as a false prophet rather than a true prophet of God. |
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For instance, in 1835 Smith claimed that the Lord would again come in just 56 years. We would gather from this "prophecy" that Jesus Christ would again come to earth on or before 1891; no doubt Joseph Smith was incorrect (History of the church 2:182). In 1832 Joseph Smith claimed he had a revelation concerning the building of a temple in Independence, Missouri. According to section 84, verses 4 and 5, of the Doctrine and Covenants, he stated this "temple shall be reared in this generation. For verily this generation shall not pass away until an house shall be built unto the Lord, and a cloud shall rest upon it..." to this day the spot consecrated by Smith fails to be the sight of a great temple, but instead is covered with a well-kept lawn. In fact, the Mormon church does not even own the land. |
Who’s the fairest of them all?
Have I ever thanked you, Resty, for giving me this URL?
Don't you STUPID mormons ever tire of ACCUSING and NEVER showing any evidence of your ACCUSATIONS???
Don't you Mormons ever tire of repeating the same lies about PRESBYTERIANism over and over and over?
Cast out a victim card and play it, knowing that the weak have short attention spans, are predisposed to the "underdog" and hopefully have a good income.
Got to know your target market.
I believe the LDS Articles of Faith. That is what I believe. You can post whatever you wish but the fact remains that the tenents of my faith are found in the LDS Articles of Faith which I dare not post - which I will never post again on this site - because of the disgusting, horrible way the anti Mormons mangle and desecrate them to fit their preconceived ideas.
And we are sociopaths...
OK. We can post them any old time we feel like "desecrating". On that note, if you wanna talk about desecration, how many wives do mormons claim that Jesus had?
Are there not multiple books of “Scripture”?
Are there not the Doctrine and Covenants?
Is there not the Gospel Priniples?
What of the very words of the “prophets” which from the Gospel Principles tell us come scripture as well?
Are you a 30% Mormon Sandy, do the rest of these things that can give more depth and indeed can contradict your beloved Creed (which is exactly what the Articles of Faith are ironically) matter not to you. If so you are an odd Mormon for “Jesus” himself as the head of the Church must support these things that you don't have the respect enough to accept as well.
And you say the Mormon “Jesus” is your savior Sandy?
“I will go back to the beginning, before the world was, to show what kind of a being God is. What sort of a being was God in the beginning? Open your ears and hear, all ye ends of the earth; for I am going to prove it to you by the Bible, and to tell you the designs of God in relation to the human race, and why he interferes with the affairs of man. God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted Man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens. That is the great secret. (Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 3, 1844)
If Smith says 'before the world was, yet he asserts the god of Mormonism was once a man, and that would have to be prior to becoming a god what 'world' that existed before the world was' could your prophet be teaching about? Whatever is taken by Smith as the ’beginning’, the Alpha point, Smith says god was a man BEFORE the alpha point of his godhood! That he, the Mormon god, "was once as we are now." We already know from the above quote that the godhead came even after the Mormon god was appointed. The Mormon god was no godhead in the beginning Smith portrays.
But I understand if you try to dodge the irrationality of it, because even Gordon B.Hinckley himself in a Time interview [http://www.ils.unc.edu/~unsworth/mormon/natureofgod.html] tried to dodge the irrationality of it, weaseling his position on belief or doubt over the stuff:
The game is over; Jesus Christ is Lord.
“And you say the Mormon “Jesus” is your savior Sandy? “
You are right in supposing that your Jesus is different from my Jesus. My Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, who loves me and accepts me; He suffered and died to save me from my sins. Apparently, your Jesus is different; your Jesus condemns me.
Sybil much???
The peurile hypocrisy and duplicity demonstrated in these comments is without equal.
You have had absolutely no problem jumping on bandwagons accusing anti-mormon FReepers of being complicit in murder and arson.
And when challenged on it, even confronted with the zot, you run and hide from your comments and behavior. Only to pop up again and cry foul.
And here you want to whip out your “persecution card”.
Sorry, no sale.
Also thanks for not answering my questions about the remaining LDS information beyond the Creed you once posted here.
You inability to address the many flaws of Mormonism beyond the neat little box you allowed yourself to be talked into speaks volumes of your membership.
In the Book of Mormon, Jesus brought death and destruction with him to the Cross. In 3 Nephi, Chapters 8 and 9, it details the events testifying of Christ's crucifixion. It describes the desolation of the great city of Zarahemla by fire, and the city of Moroni "did sink into the sea and the inhabitants thereof were drowned... the earth was carried up upon the city of Mornihah...there was great and terrible destruction in the land southward......terrible destruction in the land northward....the highways were broken up....many great and noble cities were sunk and many burned and many shaken till the buildings thereof had fallen to the earth.....all these great and terrible things were done in the space of three hours."
Here are links to the Official LdS BoM chapters that detail these events:
3 Nephi, Chapter 9, tells of further wrath as the Lord also destroyed the cities and inhabitants of Gigal, Onihah, Mocum, Jerusalem, Gadiandi, Gadiomnah, Jacob, Gimgimmo, Jacobugath, Laman, Josh, Gad, and Kishkumen. (a total of 16 major cities) Who did all this killing to testify of our Lord's atonement on Calvary?
3 Nephi 9:15 reveals the murderer of approximately 2 million innocent inhabitants of the Book of Mormon lands, "Behold, I am Jesus Christ the son of God. I created the heavens and the earth and all things that in them are." He adds, (in verse 21), "behold, I have come unto the world to bring redemption unto the world to save the world from sin." I guess the easiest way was to kill almost every living creature; at least the vast majority of that portion of his "other sheep have I." This Jesus was a god of wrath, exercising some form of Old Testament Judgment by the one who was supposed to be the end of the law.
The Biblical Jesus cried out to His Father,
"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."
Source: Saints Alive
2 Cor.11:3-5 tells us that there will be those who would teach a different Christ. Paul says of them, "For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ".
It is recorded in the BoM that the mormon christ massacred 100's of thousands men, women and children (possibly millions) and destroyed at least 16, if not more cities.
Yet the Christ of the Bible pleaded for Father to "...forgive them for they know not what they do."?
When He came back, "do not be afraid", "peace be upon you" recorded numerous times in the Bible. No hint whatsoever of Christ going on a murderous and destructive rampage in the ME.
I wonder, were there no evil folks in the ME for the Biblical Christ to destroy? Since the BoM is claiming all those poor souls the BoM christ destroyed were "evil" and without redemption, is it contended that all the folks in the ME were somehow, "special"?
OUCH!
Yes, Sandy, dear one, Jesus is Lord. He is not a polygamist like some teachers in Mormonism have taut, He was not sired as a spirit child of a god who ‘gained the attributes’ of godhood, He is not one-third of the troika of separate gods in a godhead, He is not the son of some appointed god appointed by a god council, He is I AM. That is His name, I AM. He is The Savior, He is The Grace of God in Christ. He is God, not ‘a god’, not one of many gods to come, He is I AM.
“We really aren’t obligated to answer everyone’s questions...”
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Resty you channeling Robert Millet ???
Had it with a certain member of the opposition today? BTW, great comebacks.
HUGS
A guilty conscience needs no accuser.
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Well Resty there is a way you can get over that guilty concience of yours
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