who think the ten commandments are a farce...
and many reveal how void of conscience they are Sociopaths who think this is Christians behavrior
Posted on 10/15/2010 5:39:02 PM PDT by delacoert
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Most of us have had a Mormon Missionary knock at our door. If you have ever invited them in and listened to a presentation of their beliefs, you probably found most but not all of what they said very similar to those beliefs held by Christians. However, while trying to convince you that your Church is wrong and the Mormon Church is right, there are several points they intentionally leave out. Below is a list of Mormon beliefs the missionaries will be reluctant to tell you about: |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that the God they worship was not always God. |
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"We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 345) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that they believe Jesus Christ is the spirit brother of Satan: |
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"The appointment of Jesus to be the Savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God. He was called Lucifer, son of the morning. Haughty, ambitious, and covetous of power and glory, this spirit-brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the Savior of mankind." (Milton R. Hunter, Gospel Through the Ages, pg.15) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that, according to Mormonism, Jesus Christ was a polygamist. |
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"I discover that some of the Eastern papers represent me as a great blasphemer, because I said, in my lecture on Marriage, at our last Conference, that Jesus Christ was married at Cana of Galilee, that Mary, Martha, and others were his wives, and that he begat children." (Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses 2:210) |
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The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, causing his crucifixion, was evidently based upon polygamy, according to the testimony of the philosophers who rose in that age. A belief in the doctrine of a plurality of wives caused the persecution of Jesus and his followers. We might almost think they were 'Mormons'" (Jedediah M. Grant, Journal of Discourses, 1:346) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that for at least half a century church leaders were teaching that Adam was really God and the only God with whom we have to do. |
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"Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner! When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of Days! about whom holy men have written and spoken--He is our Father, and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do." (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 1:50) |
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"I have learned by experience that there is but one God that pertains to this people and he is the god that pertains to this earth--The first man. That first man sent his own son to redeem the world..."(Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 4:1) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that Brigham Young, who held the office of President of the Mormon church longer than any other man, taught that men must practice polygamy in order to become Gods. |
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"The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy." (Journal of Discourses 11:269) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that the book of Mormon fails to contain any Mormon doctrine |
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Many portions of this Mormon Scripture even contradicts Mormon theology. |
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They will be reluctant to tell you about their secret temple ceremonies which, until April 1990, portrayed Christian ministers as hirelings of Satan. Nor will they tell you about the sacred underwear they are wearing which, they believe, actually protects them. |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that Mormon leaders have taught that Jesus was conceived by way of a sexual relationship between God and Mary. |
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"..how are children begotten? I answer just as Jesus Christ was begotten of his father. The difference between Jesus Christ and other men is this: Our fathers in the flesh are mortal men, who are subject unto death: but the Father of Jesus Christ in the flesh is the god of Heaven" (Joseph F. Smith, Family Home Evening Manual, 1972, pg. 125) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that they believe the bible has been corrupted throughout the centuries and cannot be trusted fully by itself. |
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"I believe the Bible as it read when it came from the pen of the original writers. Ignorant translators, careless transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests have committed many errors." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph smith, pg.327) |
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"But the Bible has been robbed of its plainness; many sacred books having been lost, others rejected by the Romish Church, and what few we have left, were copied and recopied so many times, that it is admitted that almost every verse has been corrupted and mutilated to that degree that any two of them read alike." (Orson Pratt, The Seer, pg.213) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants, which they claim to be both sacred and without error, contradict each other many times. |
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For example, in the Book of Mormon, God called David and Solomon's act of polygamy an abomination, whereas in the Doctrine and Covenants He claims to justify it. Jacob 2:24 in the Book of Mormon says, "Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord." Section 132:1 in the Doctrine and Covenants, however, states: "Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you my servant Joseph, that inasmuch as you have inquired of my hand to know and understand wherein I, the Lord, justified my servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as also Moses, David and Solomon, my servants, as touching the principle and doctrine of their having many wives and concubines." |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that they use Christian terms with Mormon meanings. |
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For example, a Mormon would probably agree with you that a person must be born again. To the Mormon, however, "born again" is a process which begins with water baptism. Another example are the words "salvation" and exaltation," which are synonymous in the Christian's mind. However, general salvation to the Mormon merely means the resurrection which everyone in the world will receive at death. Exaltation, or individual salvation, is the reward earned by the Mormon by following the laws of the Moron church. "Eternal Life" to the Mormon means Godhood. Regarding the word "scriptures," the Christian thinks of the Holy Bible while the Mormon could be thinking of not only the Bible but the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of Great Price as well. |
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They won't want to tell you that in order to gain entrance into the highest form of Mormon heaven, the Celestial kingdom, you must accept Joseph Smith, Jr. as a prophet of god. Faith in Jesus alone, Mormonism teaches, will force you to spend eternity in a lower form of heaven. |
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Tenth LDS President Joseph Fielding Smith stated in his book, doctrines of Salvation, that there is "No salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. The word "salvation," used in this context, must really mean "exaltation" because former Mormon apostle Bruce R. McConkie stated in his book Mormon Doctrine that general salvation is given to everyone regardless of belief. Personal salvation or exaltation to the highest form of Mormon heaven comes only by accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of god and by following the laws of the LDS church. |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that their founder, Joseph Smith, Jr., made many false prophecies which, according to the Bible, would classify him as a false prophet rather than a true prophet of God. |
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For instance, in 1835 Smith claimed that the Lord would again come in just 56 years. We would gather from this "prophecy" that Jesus Christ would again come to earth on or before 1891; no doubt Joseph Smith was incorrect (History of the church 2:182). In 1832 Joseph Smith claimed he had a revelation concerning the building of a temple in Independence, Missouri. According to section 84, verses 4 and 5, of the Doctrine and Covenants, he stated this "temple shall be reared in this generation. For verily this generation shall not pass away until an house shall be built unto the Lord, and a cloud shall rest upon it..." to this day the spot consecrated by Smith fails to be the sight of a great temple, but instead is covered with a well-kept lawn. In fact, the Mormon church does not even own the land. |
Oh wait! Perhaps you don't believe the stuff and therefore you consider it not from LDS inc? Stuff like:
----god had to gain the attributes of godhood
---jesus was sired by a heavenly father and heavenly mother, so he had a beginning
---jesus then worked his way to the exalted state of one third of the godhead, one third of the troika of three separate gods working as one in purpose
----jesus had a grandfather god and a great grandfather god, etc
----the god of Mormonism was appointed as the god over the earth, and at that occasion was not yet a one-third of a godhead, but two of his offspring--jesus and holy spirit--were either appointed to the exalted positions of each one third of the godhead or earned it via their obedience to Mormon ordinances
----there can be no salvation without Mormon baptism
----someone who rejects the Savior in this life can have salvation later, if a worthy Mormon is baptized for them in a certified Mormon temple
----god couldn't keep the promise Jesus made, so a peepstone lying false prophet predator of married women had to be recruited at age 14 to restore real christianity to the world
----and last bu by no means least important, you can be saved ... after all you can do to prove yourself worthy by keeping the ten commandments so jesus will apply His atonement for your sin.
Sandy, that last one is a real doozy, because it screams Jesus died on the Cross unnecessarily for perhaps you, or the current head of the Mormon religion, because a few really, really good Mormons will be so good that they achieve exaltation and become gods of other planets in other universes. THAT is denying the Gospel of Jesus Christ and it leads to damnation because it is blasphemous, rejecting the Real Savior Who is God with us, and Whom remains with us in His person of the Holy Spirit in the human spirit of those who humble themselves and accept His Grace in Christ Jesus.
Careful Resty, you might start getting personal. But I'm glad that you stand fast in following Jesus' command to love one another.
From the 1994 LDS Conference report:
“On the other hand, the whole design of the gospel is to lead us onward and upward to greater achievement, even, eventually, to godhood. This great possibility was enunciated by the Prophet Joseph Smith in the King Follet sermon (see Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 342-62) and emphasized by President Lorenzo Snow. It is this grand and incomparable concept: As God now is, man may become! (See The Teachings of Lorenzo Snow, comp. Clyde J. Williams, Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1984, p. 1)
No; I do not.
Uh...
You typed SOB wrong...
I'm still trying to figure out what the heck she is talking about????
Would you like to shake my hand?
Just to be SURE??
Instructions given by Joseph Smith:
"Doctrine & Covenants" Section 129:
1 There are two kinds of beings in heaven, namely: Angels, who are resurrected personages, having bodies of flesh and bones;
2 For instance, Jesus said: Handle me and see, for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
3 Secondly: the spirits of just men made perfect, they who are not resurrected, but inherit the same glory.
4 When a messenger comes saying he has a message from God, offer him your hand and request him to shake hands with you.
5 If he be an angel he will do so, and you will feel his hand.
6 If he be the spirit of a just man made perfect he will come in his glory; for that is the only way he can appear;
7 Ask him to shake hands with you, but he will not move, because it is contrary to the order of heaven for a just man to deceive; but he will still deliver his message.
8 If it be the devil as an angel of light, when you ask him to shake hands he will offer you his hand, and you will not feel anything; you may therefore detect him.
9 These are three grand keys whereby you may know whether any administration is from God.Joseph Smith, Nauvoo, Illinois, February 9, 1843. History of the Church 5:267.
What I believe is found in the LDS Articles of Faith but I dare not post them here because the anti Mormons trash, desecrate and trample them underfoot. Nevertheless, that is what we believe. Not what you say you THINK we believe.
P.S. “Jesus is the Lord.” This I believe with my whole heart.
“Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost”
1 Corinthians 12:3
I think she is saying she is gonna leave the abrasive tribe of mormon, 'cause it isn't sociopathic enuff...
“It’s interesting that these stories are posted with NOTHING to back them up. No sources, no links, no reason to believe them.”
I was with YWAM for about six years - served DTS (Crossroads) in Hong Kong, China, and Okinawa. Then went on staff in Belize (Central America) for 18 month - 6 month of which was in the jungle on the YWAM base across the Belize River from the Village of Roaring Creek. When I was there, you had to take a rope boat to get to the YWAM base until the British Corps of Engineers built a walking bridge. Or you could travel further down the road to take a “ferry” across the river and drive back roads through the jungle to get to the YWAM base.
You don’t believe any of this. Hmmmmmm. Well, too bad. It’s true. I have a photo album. I remember seeing 2 LDS Missionaries when I was in Belmopan and I was amazed that the Mormons were there. Of course, YWAMers distance themselves from Mormons! I was told that Mormons were evil and to not talk to them. Of course, all good YWAMers do as they’re told. “Touch not mine anointed.”
Have you been a Missionary?
Oh, I was a Molly mormon having babies, then rearing them...no time to be a missionary until I found FReeRepublic...now my mission is to help the world see that Joseph Smith's Book of Fiction is a trap for the unwary.
I don't need to pad my resume with unprovable anecdotes. No one has the slightest interest in little stories when there are SO many provable sourced facts about mormonism.
So THAT;s your MO!
Well if we were actually doing that, yes it would be tiresome...
Ironically I don't know what energizes me more, serving the Lord by defending His faith again the PROVEN lies and heresies of the Latter Day Saints or the fact that the apologist like yourself love to accuse with out any substance in your accusations and no ability to support same.
Love is a Many Splintered Thing
Sadists and Masocists seem to find each other...
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