Posted on 10/15/2010 5:39:02 PM PDT by delacoert
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Most of us have had a Mormon Missionary knock at our door. If you have ever invited them in and listened to a presentation of their beliefs, you probably found most but not all of what they said very similar to those beliefs held by Christians. However, while trying to convince you that your Church is wrong and the Mormon Church is right, there are several points they intentionally leave out. Below is a list of Mormon beliefs the missionaries will be reluctant to tell you about: |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that the God they worship was not always God. |
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"We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 345) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that they believe Jesus Christ is the spirit brother of Satan: |
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"The appointment of Jesus to be the Savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God. He was called Lucifer, son of the morning. Haughty, ambitious, and covetous of power and glory, this spirit-brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the Savior of mankind." (Milton R. Hunter, Gospel Through the Ages, pg.15) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that, according to Mormonism, Jesus Christ was a polygamist. |
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"I discover that some of the Eastern papers represent me as a great blasphemer, because I said, in my lecture on Marriage, at our last Conference, that Jesus Christ was married at Cana of Galilee, that Mary, Martha, and others were his wives, and that he begat children." (Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses 2:210) |
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The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, causing his crucifixion, was evidently based upon polygamy, according to the testimony of the philosophers who rose in that age. A belief in the doctrine of a plurality of wives caused the persecution of Jesus and his followers. We might almost think they were 'Mormons'" (Jedediah M. Grant, Journal of Discourses, 1:346) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that for at least half a century church leaders were teaching that Adam was really God and the only God with whom we have to do. |
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"Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner! When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of Days! about whom holy men have written and spoken--He is our Father, and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do." (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 1:50) |
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"I have learned by experience that there is but one God that pertains to this people and he is the god that pertains to this earth--The first man. That first man sent his own son to redeem the world..."(Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 4:1) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that Brigham Young, who held the office of President of the Mormon church longer than any other man, taught that men must practice polygamy in order to become Gods. |
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"The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy." (Journal of Discourses 11:269) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that the book of Mormon fails to contain any Mormon doctrine |
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Many portions of this Mormon Scripture even contradicts Mormon theology. |
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They will be reluctant to tell you about their secret temple ceremonies which, until April 1990, portrayed Christian ministers as hirelings of Satan. Nor will they tell you about the sacred underwear they are wearing which, they believe, actually protects them. |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that Mormon leaders have taught that Jesus was conceived by way of a sexual relationship between God and Mary. |
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"..how are children begotten? I answer just as Jesus Christ was begotten of his father. The difference between Jesus Christ and other men is this: Our fathers in the flesh are mortal men, who are subject unto death: but the Father of Jesus Christ in the flesh is the god of Heaven" (Joseph F. Smith, Family Home Evening Manual, 1972, pg. 125) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that they believe the bible has been corrupted throughout the centuries and cannot be trusted fully by itself. |
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"I believe the Bible as it read when it came from the pen of the original writers. Ignorant translators, careless transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests have committed many errors." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph smith, pg.327) |
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"But the Bible has been robbed of its plainness; many sacred books having been lost, others rejected by the Romish Church, and what few we have left, were copied and recopied so many times, that it is admitted that almost every verse has been corrupted and mutilated to that degree that any two of them read alike." (Orson Pratt, The Seer, pg.213) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants, which they claim to be both sacred and without error, contradict each other many times. |
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For example, in the Book of Mormon, God called David and Solomon's act of polygamy an abomination, whereas in the Doctrine and Covenants He claims to justify it. Jacob 2:24 in the Book of Mormon says, "Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord." Section 132:1 in the Doctrine and Covenants, however, states: "Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you my servant Joseph, that inasmuch as you have inquired of my hand to know and understand wherein I, the Lord, justified my servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as also Moses, David and Solomon, my servants, as touching the principle and doctrine of their having many wives and concubines." |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that they use Christian terms with Mormon meanings. |
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For example, a Mormon would probably agree with you that a person must be born again. To the Mormon, however, "born again" is a process which begins with water baptism. Another example are the words "salvation" and exaltation," which are synonymous in the Christian's mind. However, general salvation to the Mormon merely means the resurrection which everyone in the world will receive at death. Exaltation, or individual salvation, is the reward earned by the Mormon by following the laws of the Moron church. "Eternal Life" to the Mormon means Godhood. Regarding the word "scriptures," the Christian thinks of the Holy Bible while the Mormon could be thinking of not only the Bible but the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of Great Price as well. |
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They won't want to tell you that in order to gain entrance into the highest form of Mormon heaven, the Celestial kingdom, you must accept Joseph Smith, Jr. as a prophet of god. Faith in Jesus alone, Mormonism teaches, will force you to spend eternity in a lower form of heaven. |
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Tenth LDS President Joseph Fielding Smith stated in his book, doctrines of Salvation, that there is "No salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. The word "salvation," used in this context, must really mean "exaltation" because former Mormon apostle Bruce R. McConkie stated in his book Mormon Doctrine that general salvation is given to everyone regardless of belief. Personal salvation or exaltation to the highest form of Mormon heaven comes only by accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of god and by following the laws of the LDS church. |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that their founder, Joseph Smith, Jr., made many false prophecies which, according to the Bible, would classify him as a false prophet rather than a true prophet of God. |
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For instance, in 1835 Smith claimed that the Lord would again come in just 56 years. We would gather from this "prophecy" that Jesus Christ would again come to earth on or before 1891; no doubt Joseph Smith was incorrect (History of the church 2:182). In 1832 Joseph Smith claimed he had a revelation concerning the building of a temple in Independence, Missouri. According to section 84, verses 4 and 5, of the Doctrine and Covenants, he stated this "temple shall be reared in this generation. For verily this generation shall not pass away until an house shall be built unto the Lord, and a cloud shall rest upon it..." to this day the spot consecrated by Smith fails to be the sight of a great temple, but instead is covered with a well-kept lawn. In fact, the Mormon church does not even own the land. |
You think I'm going to watch some silly video by a guy who worships a church I believe is false, who reveres a jesus I don't recognize, and references a book I believe is fantastical fiction (not to mention boring)?
Where is his divine investiture of power? Who is Andrew Skinner that I should give him a second of my attention?
You should be ready to defend your own faith and know what you believe Resty.
Nor eternal. Furthermore, she was STILL A VIRGIN when she gave birth to Jesus.
Hi greyfoxx,
I don’t demand to be called a Christian. I do think it’s an accurate description of who I am, and who Latter-day Saints are — believers in Jesus Christ as the Savior of the world.
Regards,
Normandy
I second that.
I think, Normandy, that you are perhaps equating a moral life as being Christian. I don't doubt that you are a very moral and ethical person.
Do you place your faith in Christ for eternal life? Or perhaps you place your faith upon your own works, ordinances and covenants for your exaltation. Take a test and see if you can have faith in receiving the best that God the Father and Christ has to offer. Is it dependent on something YOU do?
You don't need to answer that, Norm. I know what the answer was when I was a Mormon.
Ohhh...OK.
So does it bother you that most of the Christian community does not agree with your description?
Do you CALL yourself Christian?
Do you EXPECT to be seen as Christian?
Do you expect others to call your sect Christian?
“I don’t demand to be called a Christian. I do think it’s an accurate description of who I am, and who Latter-day Saints are — believers in Jesus Christ as the Savior of the world.”
Normandy, then you don’t have the slightest clue about what the Bible says about God, Christ, Salvation, Grace, etc.
You cannot deny those things, substitute your own idea and then be a Christian.
Well...obviously God screwed up...and told Ol’ Joseph Smith wrong the first time.
You can’t be serious, LOL!
You think I’m going to watch some silly video by a guy who worships a church I believe is false, who reveres a jesus I don’t recognize, and references a book I believe is fantastical fiction (not to mention boring)?
Where is his divine investiture of power? Who is Andrew Skinner that I should give him a second of my attention?
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So am I to conclued that when you ask questions the intent was to ridicule the reply?
This is why Jesus counsel
Matt. 7: 6
6 ¶ Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
D&C 41: 6
6 For it is not meet that the things which belong to the children of the kingdom should be given to them that are not worthy, or to dogs, or the pearls to be cast before swine.
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“Anti-Mormons...”
“ATTACK the faith you have...”
THIS IS WHY....
“We really aren’t obligated to answer everyone’s questions...”
Well, sorry, but you’re wrong.
It just doesn't sound like you love me very much :-(
Sound to me like the Lord is not please with those who Idenitfy themselves with swine behavior!
I know, I know, it's just you trying to get way with calling me a pig without getting your post pulled.
It's ok, I give you permission to call me a pig.
After all, the commandment is "Love one another UNLESS...
I think this thread stinks to High Heaven. Don't you anti Mormons ever tire of repeating the same lies about my faith over and over and over?
It is so boring but the sad thing is that ignorant people who don't know any better believe what the anti Mormons are posting. I used to believe it, too, before I opened my mind to the possibility that what I was told was not true.
As I have stated before, I was a Christian missionary with YWAM (Youth with a Mission) - even “served a mission” in Central America for 18 months. During that time I began to question the evangelical/pentecostal ways regarding healing and “serving the Lord.” I found that the Christians in Belize were better Christians than the YWAMers (including ME!!), yet we were sent there “to save the lost souls.” Barf! I learned more from the Belizean Christians than I could ever hope to learn in YWAM. Anyhow, the last straw was when I asked one of the outreach teams to help with our vacation Bible school in the village of Roaring Creek. The leader said “We will pray about it.” I was SHOCKED!! What's to pray about? Next day, wouldn't you know - she said, “God said ‘no.’” I was horrified and told her there's no way God would have said “no” to the needy children of Belize. Whatever! The VBS had about ONE HUNDRED children and me and the Belizean women were small in numbers but mighty in the Gospel. The VBS was a tremendous success and I will never forget the blessing!!
Like I said, that was the last straw but even before that I was questioning the silliness around me - the contradictions, the power trips, the stupid decisions that we dumb YWAMers had to stomach. You weren't supposed to complain about anything: “Touch not mine anointed.”
When I heard the Restored Gospel and experienced a confirmation by the Holy Ghost, I found the Truth. Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ used Joseph Smith to restore the Gospel to the earth in these latter days.
I am no longer tossed about this way and that by false doctrines of man. When I see the LDS Missionaries on their bicycles, my heart is filled with love. I am grateful that they have chosen to sacrifice two years of their lives to serve and love their fellow man.
Amen.
That’s nice Sandy.
How well goes your efforts to earn your salvation SD? Noticed a lot of the spirit of contention from you lately - is all well. Having to repent over and over again for the same old sins just because you haven't repented of them yet?
It's interesting that these stories are posted with NOTHING to back them up. No sources, no links, no reason to believe them.
That's why we post verifiable, sourced articles and comments...we don't expect anyone to just "take our word" but to search out the TRUTH!
You are in denial when you ask questions not for understanding but to belittle in a mean spirit way and than get upset when a mirror is held up and want to deny what they see!
it is time to leave this absive tribe who only pretent...
who think the ten commandments are a farce
and many reveal how void of conscience they are
Sociopaths who think this is Christians behavrior
Lord have mercy on ya all!
It all just goes to show that your actions, your “deportment” if you will, and where you park your behind on Sunday morning, have absolutely ZERO effect on gaining your salvation.
WOW. That is BLASPHEMY!!!
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