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What Mormon Missionaries WON'T Tell You
Contender Ministries [False Religions] ^ | unknown | anonymous

Posted on 10/15/2010 5:39:02 PM PDT by delacoert

Most of us have had a Mormon Missionary knock at our door.  If you have ever invited them in and listened to a presentation of their beliefs, you probably found most but not all of what they said very similar to those beliefs held by Christians.  However, while trying to convince you that your Church is wrong and the Mormon Church is right, there are several points they intentionally leave out.  Below is a list of Mormon beliefs the missionaries will be reluctant to tell you about:

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that the God they worship was not always God.

"We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity.  I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see."  (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 345)

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that they believe Jesus Christ is the spirit brother of Satan:

"The appointment of Jesus to be the Savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God.  He was called Lucifer, son of the morning.  Haughty, ambitious, and covetous of power and glory, this spirit-brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the Savior of mankind."  (Milton R. Hunter, Gospel Through the Ages, pg.15)

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that, according to Mormonism, Jesus Christ was a polygamist.

"I discover that some of the Eastern papers represent me as a great blasphemer, because I said, in my lecture on Marriage, at our last Conference, that Jesus Christ was married at Cana of Galilee, that Mary, Martha, and others were his wives, and that he begat children."  (Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses 2:210)

 

The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, causing his crucifixion, was evidently based upon polygamy, according to the testimony of the philosophers who rose in that age.  A belief in the doctrine of a plurality of wives caused the persecution of Jesus and his followers.  We might almost think they were 'Mormons'" (Jedediah M. Grant, Journal of Discourses, 1:346)

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that for at least half a century church leaders were teaching that Adam was really God and the only God with whom we have to do.

"Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner!  When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him.  He helped to make and organize this world.  He is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of Days! about whom holy men have written and spoken--He is our Father, and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do."  (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 1:50)

 

"I have learned by experience that there is but one God that pertains to this people and he is the god that pertains to this earth--The first man.  That first man sent his own son to redeem the world..."(Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 4:1)

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that Brigham Young, who held the office of President of the Mormon church longer than any other man, taught that men must practice polygamy in order to become Gods.

"The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy."  (Journal of Discourses 11:269)

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that the book of Mormon fails to contain any Mormon doctrine

Many portions of this Mormon Scripture even contradicts Mormon theology.

 

They will be reluctant to tell you about their secret temple ceremonies which, until April 1990, portrayed Christian ministers as hirelings of Satan.  Nor will they tell you about the sacred underwear they are wearing which, they believe, actually protects them.

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that Mormon leaders have taught that Jesus was conceived by way of a sexual relationship between God and Mary.

"..how are children begotten?  I answer just as Jesus Christ was begotten of his father.  The difference between Jesus Christ and other men is this:  Our fathers in the flesh are mortal men, who are subject unto death: but the Father of Jesus Christ in the flesh is the god of Heaven" (Joseph F. Smith, Family Home Evening Manual, 1972, pg. 125)

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that they believe the bible has been corrupted throughout the centuries and cannot be trusted fully by itself.

"I believe the Bible as it read when it came from the pen of the original writers.  Ignorant translators, careless transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests have committed many errors." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph smith, pg.327)

"But the Bible has been robbed of its plainness; many sacred books having been lost, others rejected by the Romish Church, and what few we have left, were copied and recopied so many times, that it is admitted that almost every verse has been corrupted and mutilated to that degree that any two of them read alike." (Orson Pratt, The Seer, pg.213)

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants, which they claim to be both sacred and without error, contradict each other many times.

For example, in the Book of Mormon, God called David and Solomon's act of polygamy an abomination, whereas in the Doctrine and Covenants He claims to justify it.  Jacob 2:24 in the Book of Mormon says, "Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord."  Section 132:1 in the Doctrine and Covenants, however, states: "Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you my servant Joseph, that inasmuch as you have inquired of my hand to know and understand wherein I, the Lord, justified my servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as also Moses, David and Solomon, my servants, as touching the principle and doctrine of their having many wives and concubines."

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that they use Christian terms with Mormon meanings.

For example, a Mormon would probably agree with you that a person must be born again.  To the Mormon, however, "born again" is a process which begins with water baptism.  Another example are the words "salvation" and exaltation," which are synonymous in the Christian's mind.  However, general salvation to the Mormon merely means the resurrection which everyone in the world will receive at death.  Exaltation, or individual salvation, is the reward earned by the Mormon by following the laws of the Moron church.  "Eternal Life" to the Mormon means Godhood.  Regarding the word "scriptures," the Christian thinks of the Holy Bible while the Mormon could be thinking of not only the Bible but the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of Great Price as well.

 

They won't want to tell you that in order to gain entrance into the highest form of Mormon heaven, the Celestial kingdom, you must accept Joseph Smith, Jr. as a prophet of god.  Faith in Jesus alone, Mormonism teaches, will force you to spend eternity in a lower form of heaven.

 

Tenth LDS President Joseph Fielding Smith stated in his book, doctrines of Salvation, that there is "No salvation without accepting Joseph Smith.  The word "salvation," used in this context, must really mean "exaltation" because former Mormon apostle Bruce R. McConkie stated in his book Mormon Doctrine that general salvation is given to everyone regardless of belief.  Personal salvation or exaltation to the highest form of Mormon heaven comes only by accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of god and by following the laws of the LDS church.

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that their founder, Joseph Smith, Jr., made many false prophecies which, according to the Bible, would classify him as a false prophet rather than a true prophet of God.

 

For instance, in 1835 Smith claimed that the Lord would again come in just 56 years.  We would gather from this "prophecy" that Jesus Christ would again come to earth on or before 1891; no doubt Joseph Smith was incorrect (History of the church 2:182).  In 1832 Joseph Smith claimed he had a revelation concerning the building of a temple in Independence, Missouri.  According to section 84, verses 4 and 5, of the Doctrine and Covenants, he stated this "temple shall be reared in this generation.  For verily this generation shall not pass away until an house shall be built unto the Lord, and a cloud shall rest upon it..."  to this day the spot consecrated by Smith fails to be the sight of a great temple, but instead is covered with a well-kept lawn.  In fact, the Mormon church does not even own the land.

 


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To: MHGinTN

Sadly you try to apply the tradition of men to things that belong to the Lord,

Jesus Christ as Father in the Book of Mormon
http://www.byub.org/talks/Talk.aspx?id=1411


501 posted on 10/18/2010 9:57:43 PM PDT by restornu (Love One Another)
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To: restornu; MHGinTN
Jesus Christ as Father in the Book of Mormon http://www.byub.org/talks/Talk.aspx?id=1411

I watched this (Andrew C. Skinner) for about 7-8 minutes...but no mention of Trinity.

One thing Skinner said on that link is that Jesus Christ is "the God of Israel" and "the God of the whole earth" and then he went on to cite 3 Nephi 11:14.

Since you're citing this, Resty, which is it, then:
(1) Does Israel have two gods, or does the earth have two true gods?
(2) Or, is Heavenly Father not the god of either Israel or the whole earth?

If you're a Mormon, you can believe (1) or (2) but not both. Which is it?

Skinner said that Mormons are the ones who "uniquely" teach the condescension of God (re: Jesus leaving heaven as the Son of God to become man)...and while it's true the Book of Mormon uses that exact phrase in 1 Nephi 11:26, that concept is hardly "unique" to Mormonism. Christian theologians have used it frequently, usually citing Philippians 2.

Thirdly, Skinner, citing Bruce McConkie, says that Jesus is "Father" and creator except in two ways: He didn't procreate human spirits or human bodies.

Hmm...a "creator" who can't create human babies...how interesting.

Fourthly, Skinner cites Mosiah 3:5,8 as teaching that Jesus is "the Father of heaven and earth" -- a distinct reference to Ether 4:7 where the character Moroni references Jesus as "the Father of THE heavens and earth."

See the distinction? In Ether 4:7, it's pointing to the heavens...the stars...galaxies, etc. In Mosiah 3, there's no "the"..."heaven" is singular.

Wanna tell us, Mr. Skinner...or Resty...how Jesus is "the father of heaven"??? Did he create heaven?

502 posted on 10/18/2010 11:10:17 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

He speaks and lays it out in an orderly manner line upon line, precept upon precept!


503 posted on 10/19/2010 4:33:18 AM PDT by restornu (Love One Another)
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To: restornu
It is NOT everything even the Bible make note of that

Joseph Smith was a LYING conman: make note of that FACT.


A FACSIMILE FROM
THE BOOK OF ABRAHAM

No. 1
 
Facsimile No. 1
EXPLANATION
Fig. 1. The Angel of the Lord.
Fig. 2. Abraham fastened upon an altar.
Fig. 3. The idolatrous priest of Elkenah attempting to offer up Abraham as a sacrifice.
Fig. 4. The altar for sacrifice by the idolatrous priests, standing before the gods of Elkenah, Libnah, Mahmackrah, Korash, and Pharaoh.
Fig. 5. The idolatrous god of Elkenah.
Fig. 6. The idolatrous god of Libnah.
Fig. 7. The idolatrous god of Mahmackrah.
Fig. 8. The idolatrous god of Korash.
Fig. 9. The idolatrous god of Pharaoh.
Fig. 10. Abraham in Egypt.
Fig. 11. Designed to represent the pillars of heaven, as understood by the Egyptians.
Fig. 12. Raukeeyang, signifying expanse, or the firmament over our heads; but in this case, in relation to this subject, the Egyptians meant it to signify Shaumau, to be high, or the heavens, answering to the Hebrew word, Shaumahyeem.
 

504 posted on 10/19/2010 4:36:46 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
It is better that one man should perish than that a nation should dwindle and perish in unbelief.

Thanks for SHOWING how MORMONism has STOLEN what was rightfully the LORDs and given it to another!

John 11:50-52 (New International Version)

You do not realize that it is better for you that one man die for the people than that the whole nation perish."

 He did not say this on his own, but as high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the Jewish nation, and not only for that nation but also for the scattered children of God, to bring them together and make them one.

MORMONism is a VILE, Bloodsucking parasite on the body politic of Religion!

505 posted on 10/19/2010 4:44:06 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu

By Mormonism standards, yes...

By real Godly rational standards, not so much...


506 posted on 10/19/2010 4:57:04 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Colofornian
I've heard it said that the Mormon council of gods named the stars alphabetically.

It seems that could be true.

Rumor has it they did the same thing when NAMES where being dished out; but, forgot to count correctly; so when they realized there where a LOT left to name, and they were already up to "Z"...

Well; the rest is history!


507 posted on 10/19/2010 5:00:24 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

council of gods...

Everytime I see that visions of “Clash of the Titans” flow throuh my head...


508 posted on 10/19/2010 5:02:24 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: restornu
MORMON Heresy ALERT!!!

Every spirit of man was innocent in the beginning; and God having redeemed man from the fall, men became again, in their infant state, innocent before God.

509 posted on 10/19/2010 5:10:07 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie; restornu; colorcountry; Zakeet; Tennessee Nana; greyfoxx39; reaganaut
Sorry to break in like this but everybody needs a bit of instruction once in a while. For instance an ex-Mormon jazz singer in NYC is giving instruction on how to take your own pictures for Facebook.

Extremely Important Training

510 posted on 10/19/2010 5:29:54 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Mount Carmel Utah, at the Maynard Dixon Living History Museum)
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To: T Minus Four

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFods1KSWsQ


511 posted on 10/19/2010 5:51:35 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
When you find yourself in a hole; quit digging!


32 But, O my people, beware lest there shall arise contentions among you, and ye list to obey the evil spirit, which was spoken of by my father Mosiah.

Likewise; one needs to quit obeying the evil spirit!

512 posted on 10/19/2010 5:54:35 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN
Resty EVERBODY, read Mosiah 15:1-5.


THE BOOK OF MOSIAH
CHAPTER 15
How Christ is both the Father and the Son—He shall make intercession and bear the transgressions of his people—They and all the holy prophets are his seed—He bringeth to pass the resurrection—Little children have eternal life. About 148 B.C.
 
  1 And now Abinadi said unto them: I would that ye should understand that aGod himself shall bcome down among the children of men, and shall credeem his people.
  2 And because he adwelleth in bflesh he shall be called the cSon of God, and having subjected the flesh to the dwill of the eFather, being the Father and the Son—
  3 The Father, abecause he was bconceived by the power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and Son—
  4 And they are aone God, yea, the very bEternal cFather of heaven and of earth.
  5 And thus the flesh becoming subject to the Spirit, or the Son to the Father, being one God, asuffereth temptation, and yieldeth not to the temptation, but suffereth himself to be mocked, and bscourged, and cast out, and disowned by his cpeople.
 
  6 And after all this, after working many mighty miracles among the children of men, he shall be led, yea, even aas Isaiah said, as a sheep before the shearer is dumb, so he bopened not his mouth.
  7 Yea, even so he shall be led, acrucified, and slain, the bflesh becoming subject even unto death, the cwill of the Son being swallowed up in the will of the Father.
  8 And thus God breaketh the abands of death, having gained the bvictory over death; giving the Son power to make cintercession for the children of men—
  9 Having ascended into heaven, having the bowels of mercy; being filled with compassion towards the children of men; standing betwixt them and justice; having broken the bands of death, taken upon ahimself their iniquity and their transgressions, having redeemed them, and bsatisfied the demands of justice.
  10 And now I say unto you, who shall declare his ageneration? Behold, I say unto you, that when his soul has been made an offering for bsin he shall see his cseed. And now what say ye? And who shall be his seed?
  11 Behold I say unto you, that whosoever has heard the words of the aprophets, yea, all the holy prophets who have prophesied concerning the coming of the Lord—I say unto you, that all those who have hearkened unto their words, and believed that the Lord would redeem his people, and have looked forward to that day for a remission of their sins, I say unto you, that these are his seed, or they are the heirs of the bkingdom of God.
  12 For these are they whose sins ahe has borne; these are they for whom he has died, to redeem them from their transgressions. And now, are they not his seed?
  13 Yea, and are not the aprophets, every one that has opened his mouth to prophesy, that has not fallen into transgression, I mean all the holy prophets ever since the world began? I say unto you that they are his seed.
  14 And these are athey who have published peace, who have brought good btidings of good, who have cpublished salvation; and said unto Zion: Thy God reigneth!
  15 And O how beautiful upon the mountains were their feet!
  16 And again, how beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of those that are still publishing peace!
  17 And again, how beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of those who shall hereafter publish peace, yea, from this time henceforth and forever!
  18 And behold, I say unto you, this is not all. For O how beautiful upon the mountains are the afeet of him that bringeth good tidings, that is the founder of bpeace, yea, even the Lord, who has redeemed his people; yea, him who has granted salvation unto his people;
  19 For were it not for the redemption which he hath made for his people, which was prepared from the afoundation of the world, I say unto you, were it not for this, all mankind must have bperished.
  20 But behold, the bands of death shall be broken, and the Son reigneth, and hath power over the dead; therefore, he bringeth to pass the resurrection of the dead.
  21 And there cometh a resurrection, even a afirst resurrection; yea, even a resurrection of those that have been, and who are, and who shall be, even until the resurrection of Christ—for so shall he be called.
  22 And now, the resurrection of all the prophets, and all those that have believed in their words, or all those that have kept the commandments of God, shall come forth in the first resurrection; therefore, they are the first resurrection.
  23 They are raised to adwell with God who has redeemed them; thus they have eternal life through Christ, who has bbroken the bands of death.
  24 And these are those who have part in the first resurrection; and these are they that have died before Christ came, in their ignorance, not having asalvation declared unto them. And thus the Lord bringeth about the restoration of these; and they have a part in the first resurrection, or have eternal life, being redeemed by the Lord.
  25 And little achildren also have eternal life.
  26 But behold, and afear, and tremble before God, for ye ought to tremble; for the Lord redeemeth none such that brebel against him and cdie in their sins; yea, even all those that have perished in their sins ever since the world began, that have wilfully rebelled against God, that have known the commandments of God, and would not keep them; dthese are they that have eno part in the first fresurrection.
  27 Therefore ought ye not to tremble? For salvation cometh to none such; for the Lord hath redeemed none such; yea, neither can the Lord redeem such; for he cannot deny himself; for he cannot deny ajustice when it has its claim.
  28 And now I say unto you that the time shall come that the asalvation of the Lord shall be declared to every nation, kindred, tongue, and people.
  29 Yea, Lord, athy bwatchmen shall lift up their voice; with the voice together shall they sing; for they shall see eye to eye, when the Lord shall bring again Zion.
  30 Break forth into joy, sing together, ye waste places of Jerusalem; for the Lord hath comforted his people, he hath redeemed Jerusalem.
  31 The Lord hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the asalvation of our God.
 


Now asked yourself, "How can that painting of JS and the Two Personages be the FATHER and the son?"

513 posted on 10/19/2010 6:00:45 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN
Resty EVERBODY, read Mosiah 15:1-5.


THE BOOK OF MOSIAH
CHAPTER 15
How Christ is both the Father and the Son—He shall make intercession and bear the transgressions of his people—They and all the holy prophets are his seed—He bringeth to pass the resurrection—Little children have eternal life. About 148 B.C.
 
  1 And now Abinadi said unto them: I would that ye should understand that aGod himself shall bcome down among the children of men, and shall credeem his people.
  2 And because he adwelleth in bflesh he shall be called the cSon of God, and having subjected the flesh to the dwill of the eFather, being the Father and the Son—
  3 The Father, abecause he was bconceived by the power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and Son—
  4 And they are aone God, yea, the very bEternal cFather of heaven and of earth.
  5 And thus the flesh becoming subject to the Spirit, or the Son to the Father, being one God, asuffereth temptation, and yieldeth not to the temptation, but suffereth himself to be mocked, and bscourged, and cast out, and disowned by his cpeople.
 
  6 And after all this, after working many mighty miracles among the children of men, he shall be led, yea, even aas Isaiah said, as a sheep before the shearer is dumb, so he bopened not his mouth.
  7 Yea, even so he shall be led, acrucified, and slain, the bflesh becoming subject even unto death, the cwill of the Son being swallowed up in the will of the Father.
  8 And thus God breaketh the abands of death, having gained the bvictory over death; giving the Son power to make cintercession for the children of men—
  9 Having ascended into heaven, having the bowels of mercy; being filled with compassion towards the children of men; standing betwixt them and justice; having broken the bands of death, taken upon ahimself their iniquity and their transgressions, having redeemed them, and bsatisfied the demands of justice.
  10 And now I say unto you, who shall declare his ageneration? Behold, I say unto you, that when his soul has been made an offering for bsin he shall see his cseed. And now what say ye? And who shall be his seed?
  11 Behold I say unto you, that whosoever has heard the words of the aprophets, yea, all the holy prophets who have prophesied concerning the coming of the Lord—I say unto you, that all those who have hearkened unto their words, and believed that the Lord would redeem his people, and have looked forward to that day for a remission of their sins, I say unto you, that these are his seed, or they are the heirs of the bkingdom of God.
  12 For these are they whose sins ahe has borne; these are they for whom he has died, to redeem them from their transgressions. And now, are they not his seed?
  13 Yea, and are not the aprophets, every one that has opened his mouth to prophesy, that has not fallen into transgression, I mean all the holy prophets ever since the world began? I say unto you that they are his seed.
  14 And these are athey who have published peace, who have brought good btidings of good, who have cpublished salvation; and said unto Zion: Thy God reigneth!
  15 And O how beautiful upon the mountains were their feet!
  16 And again, how beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of those that are still publishing peace!
  17 And again, how beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of those who shall hereafter publish peace, yea, from this time henceforth and forever!
  18 And behold, I say unto you, this is not all. For O how beautiful upon the mountains are the afeet of him that bringeth good tidings, that is the founder of bpeace, yea, even the Lord, who has redeemed his people; yea, him who has granted salvation unto his people;
  19 For were it not for the redemption which he hath made for his people, which was prepared from the afoundation of the world, I say unto you, were it not for this, all mankind must have bperished.
  20 But behold, the bands of death shall be broken, and the Son reigneth, and hath power over the dead; therefore, he bringeth to pass the resurrection of the dead.
  21 And there cometh a resurrection, even a afirst resurrection; yea, even a resurrection of those that have been, and who are, and who shall be, even until the resurrection of Christ—for so shall he be called.
  22 And now, the resurrection of all the prophets, and all those that have believed in their words, or all those that have kept the commandments of God, shall come forth in the first resurrection; therefore, they are the first resurrection.
  23 They are raised to adwell with God who has redeemed them; thus they have eternal life through Christ, who has bbroken the bands of death.
  24 And these are those who have part in the first resurrection; and these are they that have died before Christ came, in their ignorance, not having asalvation declared unto them. And thus the Lord bringeth about the restoration of these; and they have a part in the first resurrection, or have eternal life, being redeemed by the Lord.
  25 And little achildren also have eternal life.
  26 But behold, and afear, and tremble before God, for ye ought to tremble; for the Lord redeemeth none such that brebel against him and cdie in their sins; yea, even all those that have perished in their sins ever since the world began, that have wilfully rebelled against God, that have known the commandments of God, and would not keep them; dthese are they that have eno part in the first fresurrection.
  27 Therefore ought ye not to tremble? For salvation cometh to none such; for the Lord hath redeemed none such; yea, neither can the Lord redeem such; for he cannot deny himself; for he cannot deny ajustice when it has its claim.
  28 And now I say unto you that the time shall come that the asalvation of the Lord shall be declared to every nation, kindred, tongue, and people.
  29 Yea, Lord, athy bwatchmen shall lift up their voice; with the voice together shall they sing; for they shall see eye to eye, when the Lord shall bring again Zion.
  30 Break forth into joy, sing together, ye waste places of Jerusalem; for the Lord hath comforted his people, he hath redeemed Jerusalem.
  31 The Lord hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the asalvation of our God.
 


Now ask yourself, "How can that painting of JS and the Two Personages be the FATHER and the son?"

514 posted on 10/19/2010 6:00:50 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
http://www.byub.org/talks/Talk.aspx?id=1411 Sadly, you accept the EXPLANATIONS of men over the very plain WORD OF GOD found in Mosiah!

But what can you expect from MORMONs who reject GOD's word found in D&C 132??

515 posted on 10/19/2010 6:02:58 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
He speaks and lays it out in an orderly manner line upon line, precept upon precept!

Just like Joseph Smith did when making his statement about PRESBYTERIANism being UNTRUE?

516 posted on 10/19/2010 6:04:22 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Does the “Pure Adamic Language” have the same alphabet as English?


517 posted on 10/19/2010 6:10:45 AM PDT by T Minus Four (Instead of pretending to BE Christians, why not actually BECOME Christians?)
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To: restornu
He speaks and lays it out in an orderly manner line upon line, precept upon precept!

Is that how you judge who to follow? Hitler was the definition of orderly.

518 posted on 10/19/2010 6:43:56 AM PDT by T Minus Four (Instead of pretending to BE Christians, why not actually BECOME Christians?)
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To: Elsie
LC, do you have a copy of the pre-1837 edition of the BofM? It might help Resty if you posted the passages as they read prior to JS trying to change the reading to NOT reflect the trinity. He might have been lazy and just didn't get to Mosiah 15:1-5, Alma 11:44 and 2Nephi 31:12, but looking at what the passages said before the chnages made in 1837 might open Resty's eyes ... then again, maybe not.

A parallel of 1Nephi 11:16, 18, 21, 32 and 1Nephi 13:40 showing the before and after, then contrasted with the unchanged passage from Mosiah, Alma, and 2Nephi would be instructive. I also wonder, do Mormons not read the testimony of the supposed three witnesses, who speak to the trinity in swearing affirmation?

519 posted on 10/19/2010 6:55:07 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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He speaks and lays it out in an orderly manner line upon line, precept upon precept!

You didn't answer the Q.

So I'll re-invite you -- and then invite any other Mormon -- to answer this specific Q. Here, I'll repeat it:

One thing Skinner said on that link is that Jesus Christ is "the God of Israel" and "the God of the whole earth" and then he went on to cite 3 Nephi 11:14.

Since you're citing this, Resty, which is it, then:
(1) Does Israel have two gods, or does the earth have two true gods?
(2) Or, is Heavenly Father not the god of either Israel or the whole earth?

If you're a Mormon, you can believe (1) or (2) but not both. Which is it?

520 posted on 10/19/2010 7:20:34 AM PDT by Colofornian
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