What Mormon Missionaries WON'T Tell You

Sadly you try to apply the tradition of men to things that belong to the Lord,

Jesus Christ as Father in the Book of Mormon
http://www.byub.org/talks/Talk.aspx?id=1411

Jesus Christ as Father in the Book of Mormon http://www.byub.org/talks/Talk.aspx?id=1411

I watched this (Andrew C. Skinner) for about 7-8 minutes...but no mention of Trinity.

One thing Skinner said on that link is that Jesus Christ is "the God of Israel" and "the God of the whole earth" and then he went on to cite 3 Nephi 11:14.

Since you're citing this, Resty, which is it, then:
(1) Does Israel have two gods, or does the earth have two true gods?
(2) Or, is Heavenly Father not the god of either Israel or the whole earth?

If you're a Mormon, you can believe (1) or (2) but not both. Which is it?

Skinner said that Mormons are the ones who "uniquely" teach the condescension of God (re: Jesus leaving heaven as the Son of God to become man)...and while it's true the Book of Mormon uses that exact phrase in 1 Nephi 11:26, that concept is hardly "unique" to Mormonism. Christian theologians have used it frequently, usually citing Philippians 2.

Thirdly, Skinner, citing Bruce McConkie, says that Jesus is "Father" and creator except in two ways: He didn't procreate human spirits or human bodies.

Hmm...a "creator" who can't create human babies...how interesting.

Fourthly, Skinner cites Mosiah 3:5,8 as teaching that Jesus is "the Father of heaven and earth" -- a distinct reference to Ether 4:7 where the character Moroni references Jesus as "the Father of THE heavens and earth."

See the distinction? In Ether 4:7, it's pointing to the heavens...the stars...galaxies, etc. In Mosiah 3, there's no "the"..."heaven" is singular.

Wanna tell us, Mr. Skinner...or Resty...how Jesus is "the father of heaven"??? Did he create heaven?

He speaks and lays it out in an orderly manner line upon line, precept upon precept!

It is NOT everything even the Bible make note of that

Joseph Smith was a LYING conman: make note of that FACT.

A FACSIMILE FROM
THE BOOK OF ABRAHAM
No. 1

EXPLANATION

Fig. 1. The Angel of the Lord.

Fig. 2. Abraham fastened upon an altar.

Fig. 3. The idolatrous priest of Elkenah attempting to offer up Abraham as a sacrifice.

Fig. 4. The altar for sacrifice by the idolatrous priests, standing before the gods of Elkenah, Libnah, Mahmackrah, Korash, and Pharaoh.

Fig. 5. The idolatrous god of Elkenah.

Fig. 6. The idolatrous god of Libnah.

Fig. 7. The idolatrous god of Mahmackrah.

Fig. 8. The idolatrous god of Korash.

Fig. 9. The idolatrous god of Pharaoh.

Fig. 10. Abraham in Egypt.

Fig. 11. Designed to represent the pillars of heaven, as understood by the Egyptians.

Fig. 12. Raukeeyang, signifying expanse, or the firmament over our heads; but in this case, in relation to this subject, the Egyptians meant it to signify Shaumau, to be high, or the heavens, answering to the Hebrew word, Shaumahyeem.

It is better that one man should perish than that a nation should dwindle and perish in unbelief.

Thanks for SHOWING how MORMONism has STOLEN what was rightfully the LORDs and given it to another!

John 11:50-52 (New International Version)

You do not realize that it is better for you that one man die for the people than that the whole nation perish."
He did not say this on his own, but as high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the Jewish nation, and not only for that nation but also for the scattered children of God, to bring them together and make them one.

MORMONism is a VILE, Bloodsucking parasite on the body politic of Religion!

By Mormonism standards, yes...

By real Godly rational standards, not so much...

I've heard it said that the Mormon council of gods named the stars alphabetically.

It seems that could be true.

Rumor has it they did the same thing when NAMES where being dished out; but, forgot to count correctly; so when they realized there where a LOT left to name, and they were already up to "Z"...

Well; the rest is history!

council of gods...

Everytime I see that visions of “Clash of the Titans” flow throuh my head...

MORMON Heresy ALERT!!!

Every spirit of man was innocent in the beginning; and God having redeemed man from the fall, men became again, in their infant state, innocent before God.

Sorry to break in like this but everybody needs a bit of instruction once in a while. For instance an ex-Mormon jazz singer in NYC is giving instruction on how to take your own pictures for Facebook.

Extremely Important Training

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFods1KSWsQ

When you find yourself in a hole; quit digging!

32 But, O my people, beware lest there shall arise contentions among you, and ye list to obey the evil spirit, which was spoken of by my father Mosiah.

Likewise; one needs to quit obeying the evil spirit!

~~Resty~~ EVERBODY, read Mosiah 15:1-5.

THE BOOK OF MOSIAH

CHAPTER 15

How Christ is both the Father and the Son—He shall make intercession and bear the transgressions of his people—They and all the holy prophets are his seed—He bringeth to pass the resurrection—Little children have eternal life. About 148 B.C.

1 And now Abinadi said unto them: I would that ye should understand that ^aGod himself shall ^bcome down among the children of men, and shall ^credeem his people.

2 And because he ^adwelleth in ^bflesh he shall be called the ^cSon of God, and having subjected the flesh to the ^dwill of the ^eFather, being the Father and the Son—

3 The Father, ^abecause he was ^bconceived by the power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and Son—

4 And they are ^aone God, yea, the very ^bEternal ^cFather of heaven and of earth.

5 And thus the flesh becoming subject to the Spirit, or the Son to the Father, being one God, ^asuffereth temptation, and yieldeth not to the temptation, but suffereth himself to be mocked, and ^bscourged, and cast out, and disowned by his ^cpeople.

6 And after all this, after working many mighty miracles among the children of men, he shall be led, yea, even ^aas Isaiah said, as a sheep before the shearer is dumb, so he ^bopened not his mouth.

7 Yea, even so he shall be led, ^acrucified, and slain, the ^bflesh becoming subject even unto death, the ^cwill of the Son being swallowed up in the will of the Father.

8 And thus God breaketh the ^abands of death, having gained the ^bvictory over death; giving the Son power to make ^cintercession for the children of men—

9 Having ascended into heaven, having the bowels of mercy; being filled with compassion towards the children of men; standing betwixt them and justice; having broken the bands of death, taken upon ^ahimself their iniquity and their transgressions, having redeemed them, and ^bsatisfied the demands of justice.

10 And now I say unto you, who shall declare his ^ageneration? Behold, I say unto you, that when his soul has been made an offering for ^bsin he shall see his ^cseed. And now what say ye? And who shall be his seed?

11 Behold I say unto you, that whosoever has heard the words of the ^aprophets, yea, all the holy prophets who have prophesied concerning the coming of the Lord—I say unto you, that all those who have hearkened unto their words, and believed that the Lord would redeem his people, and have looked forward to that day for a remission of their sins, I say unto you, that these are his seed, or they are the heirs of the ^bkingdom of God.

12 For these are they whose sins ^ahe has borne; these are they for whom he has died, to redeem them from their transgressions. And now, are they not his seed?

13 Yea, and are not the ^aprophets, every one that has opened his mouth to prophesy, that has not fallen into transgression, I mean all the holy prophets ever since the world began? I say unto you that they are his seed.

14 And these are ^athey who have published peace, who have brought good ^btidings of good, who have ^cpublished salvation; and said unto Zion: Thy God reigneth!

15 And O how beautiful upon the mountains were their feet!

16 And again, how beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of those that are still publishing peace!

17 And again, how beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of those who shall hereafter publish peace, yea, from this time henceforth and forever!

18 And behold, I say unto you, this is not all. For O how beautiful upon the mountains are the ^afeet of him that bringeth good tidings, that is the founder of ^bpeace, yea, even the Lord, who has redeemed his people; yea, him who has granted salvation unto his people;

19 For were it not for the redemption which he hath made for his people, which was prepared from the ^afoundation of the world, I say unto you, were it not for this, all mankind must have ^bperished.

20 But behold, the bands of death shall be broken, and the Son reigneth, and hath power over the dead; therefore, he bringeth to pass the resurrection of the dead.

21 And there cometh a resurrection, even a ^afirst resurrection; yea, even a resurrection of those that have been, and who are, and who shall be, even until the resurrection of Christ—for so shall he be called.

22 And now, the resurrection of all the prophets, and all those that have believed in their words, or all those that have kept the commandments of God, shall come forth in the first resurrection; therefore, they are the first resurrection.

23 They are raised to ^adwell with God who has redeemed them; thus they have eternal life through Christ, who has ^bbroken the bands of death.

24 And these are those who have part in the first resurrection; and these are they that have died before Christ came, in their ignorance, not having ^asalvation declared unto them. And thus the Lord bringeth about the restoration of these; and they have a part in the first resurrection, or have eternal life, being redeemed by the Lord.

25 And little ^achildren also have eternal life.

26 But behold, and ^afear, and tremble before God, for ye ought to tremble; for the Lord redeemeth none such that ^brebel against him and ^cdie in their sins; yea, even all those that have perished in their sins ever since the world began, that have wilfully rebelled against God, that have known the commandments of God, and would not keep them; ^dthese are they that have ^eno part in the first ^fresurrection.

27 Therefore ought ye not to tremble? For salvation cometh to none such; for the Lord hath redeemed none such; yea, neither can the Lord redeem such; for he cannot deny himself; for he cannot deny ^ajustice when it has its claim.

28 And now I say unto you that the time shall come that the ^asalvation of the Lord shall be declared to every nation, kindred, tongue, and people.

29 Yea, Lord, ^athy ^bwatchmen shall lift up their voice; with the voice together shall they sing; for they shall see eye to eye, when the Lord shall bring again Zion.

30 Break forth into joy, sing together, ye waste places of Jerusalem; for the Lord hath comforted his people, he hath redeemed Jerusalem.

31 The Lord hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the ^asalvation of our God.

Now asked yourself, "How can that painting of JS and the Two Personages be the FATHER and the son?"