What Mormon Missionaries WON'T Tell You

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[delacoert]

Most of us have had a Mormon Missionary knock at our door.  If you have ever invited them in and listened to a presentation of their beliefs, you probably found most but not all of what they said very similar to those beliefs held by Christians.  However, while trying to convince you that your Church is wrong and the Mormon Church is right, there are several points they intentionally leave out.  Below is a list of Mormon beliefs the missionaries will be reluctant to tell you about:

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that the God they worship was not always God.

"We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity.  I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see."  (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 345)

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that they believe Jesus Christ is the spirit brother of Satan:

"The appointment of Jesus to be the Savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God.  He was called Lucifer, son of the morning.  Haughty, ambitious, and covetous of power and glory, this spirit-brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the Savior of mankind."  (Milton R. Hunter, Gospel Through the Ages, pg.15)

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that, according to Mormonism, Jesus Christ was a polygamist.

"I discover that some of the Eastern papers represent me as a great blasphemer, because I said, in my lecture on Marriage, at our last Conference, that Jesus Christ was married at Cana of Galilee, that Mary, Martha, and others were his wives, and that he begat children."  (Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses 2:210)

 

The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, causing his crucifixion, was evidently based upon polygamy, according to the testimony of the philosophers who rose in that age.  A belief in the doctrine of a plurality of wives caused the persecution of Jesus and his followers.  We might almost think they were 'Mormons'" (Jedediah M. Grant, Journal of Discourses, 1:346)

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that for at least half a century church leaders were teaching that Adam was really God and the only God with whom we have to do.

"Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner!  When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him.  He helped to make and organize this world.  He is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of Days! about whom holy men have written and spoken--He is our Father, and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do."  (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 1:50)

 

"I have learned by experience that there is but one God that pertains to this people and he is the god that pertains to this earth--The first man.  That first man sent his own son to redeem the world..."(Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 4:1)

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that Brigham Young, who held the office of President of the Mormon church longer than any other man, taught that men must practice polygamy in order to become Gods.

"The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy."  (Journal of Discourses 11:269)

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that the book of Mormon fails to contain any Mormon doctrine

Many portions of this Mormon Scripture even contradicts Mormon theology.

 

They will be reluctant to tell you about their secret temple ceremonies which, until April 1990, portrayed Christian ministers as hirelings of Satan.  Nor will they tell you about the sacred underwear they are wearing which, they believe, actually protects them.

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that Mormon leaders have taught that Jesus was conceived by way of a sexual relationship between God and Mary.

"..how are children begotten?  I answer just as Jesus Christ was begotten of his father.  The difference between Jesus Christ and other men is this:  Our fathers in the flesh are mortal men, who are subject unto death: but the Father of Jesus Christ in the flesh is the god of Heaven" (Joseph F. Smith, Family Home Evening Manual, 1972, pg. 125)

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that they believe the bible has been corrupted throughout the centuries and cannot be trusted fully by itself.

"I believe the Bible as it read when it came from the pen of the original writers.  Ignorant translators, careless transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests have committed many errors." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph smith, pg.327)

"But the Bible has been robbed of its plainness; many sacred books having been lost, others rejected by the Romish Church, and what few we have left, were copied and recopied so many times, that it is admitted that almost every verse has been corrupted and mutilated to that degree that any two of them read alike." (Orson Pratt, The Seer, pg.213)

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants, which they claim to be both sacred and without error, contradict each other many times.

For example, in the Book of Mormon, God called David and Solomon's act of polygamy an abomination, whereas in the Doctrine and Covenants He claims to justify it.  Jacob 2:24 in the Book of Mormon says, "Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord."  Section 132:1 in the Doctrine and Covenants, however, states: "Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you my servant Joseph, that inasmuch as you have inquired of my hand to know and understand wherein I, the Lord, justified my servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as also Moses, David and Solomon, my servants, as touching the principle and doctrine of their having many wives and concubines."

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that they use Christian terms with Mormon meanings.

For example, a Mormon would probably agree with you that a person must be born again.  To the Mormon, however, "born again" is a process which begins with water baptism.  Another example are the words "salvation" and exaltation," which are synonymous in the Christian's mind.  However, general salvation to the Mormon merely means the resurrection which everyone in the world will receive at death.  Exaltation, or individual salvation, is the reward earned by the Mormon by following the laws of the Moron church.  "Eternal Life" to the Mormon means Godhood.  Regarding the word "scriptures," the Christian thinks of the Holy Bible while the Mormon could be thinking of not only the Bible but the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of Great Price as well.

 

They won't want to tell you that in order to gain entrance into the highest form of Mormon heaven, the Celestial kingdom, you must accept Joseph Smith, Jr. as a prophet of god.  Faith in Jesus alone, Mormonism teaches, will force you to spend eternity in a lower form of heaven.

 

Tenth LDS President Joseph Fielding Smith stated in his book, doctrines of Salvation, that there is "No salvation without accepting Joseph Smith.  The word "salvation," used in this context, must really mean "exaltation" because former Mormon apostle Bruce R. McConkie stated in his book Mormon Doctrine that general salvation is given to everyone regardless of belief.  Personal salvation or exaltation to the highest form of Mormon heaven comes only by accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of god and by following the laws of the LDS church.

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that their founder, Joseph Smith, Jr., made many false prophecies which, according to the Bible, would classify him as a false prophet rather than a true prophet of God.

 

For instance, in 1835 Smith claimed that the Lord would again come in just 56 years.  We would gather from this "prophecy" that Jesus Christ would again come to earth on or before 1891; no doubt Joseph Smith was incorrect (History of the church 2:182).  In 1832 Joseph Smith claimed he had a revelation concerning the building of a temple in Independence, Missouri.  According to section 84, verses 4 and 5, of the Doctrine and Covenants, he stated this "temple shall be reared in this generation.  For verily this generation shall not pass away until an house shall be built unto the Lord, and a cloud shall rest upon it..."  to this day the spot consecrated by Smith fails to be the sight of a great temple, but instead is covered with a well-kept lawn.  In fact, the Mormon church does not even own the land.

 

[Elsie]

BTW thats all I had on the mormon’s white horde prophecy ...

Speaking of white hordes...

[Paragon Defender]

Now you KNOW this statement is UNTRUE; for we’ve even posted your list when you’ve been late showing up in a thread!

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One time. As a joke. Or will you all be adding mine in from now on? Be sure to wait until a few straw man arguments have been posted ok?

[Paragon Defender]

Do you understand “Logical Fallacy of a False Dilemma”?

[Paragon Defender]

And since you have yet to prove or demonstrate by any means the “misrepresentation” or the “strawman”, well again when dealt with rationally it too is a “slam dunk” and does us much good.

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Completely false. Anyone can find this out by researching at the links provided. The misrepresentation and strawman arguments have been exposed repeatedly.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

AMPU: “Beware their attempts to generalize while avoiding any:

...Facts
...Evidence
...Logical reasoning

They often try to portray Christians who are fulfilling the commands to expose evil as “bashers” or “anti-mormons”. This is convenient for them, but false.

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Paragon non-Defender: “Cute, mildly clever and completely false.
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You just proved my point by responding with a GENERALIZATION and FAILING to provide any:

Facts
Evidence
Logical reasoning.

You really don’t have any, do you? I assume that after
months of posting nothing, if you had anything, we might
have seen something.

Your posts are 100%...

Nothing but net,
except without the net,
without the rim,
without the backboard,
without the board pole,
without the court
and without a ball.

And yet somehow you tell others they are generalizing :-)

Let the reader note: this is mormonism at its finest: just feelings, wrapped up in magic underwear, criticizing those
who point out it has no clothes.

ampu

[ejonesie22]

I understand Mormonism ergo am by default quite expert at knowing when things are false...

[delacoert]

ALL of the posts by someone like you attempt to forefend Mormonism, misrepresent the truth of Smithian doctrine, and triangulate with weak‑minded lurkers who are deficient in their knowledge of true Christianity.  Make no mistake, it is common behavior in this country, and easily seen-through with simplistic regularity.

Here's a primer for you. With any luck, the shame induced by calling out the tactics of a Mormon who has reached your degree of hard-heartedness might still be able to be shamed into silence (if you have a reachable conscience remaining),

LYING defn. be untruthful, bear false witness, beguile, break promise, bull*, con, concoct, deceive, delude, dissemble, dissimulate, distort, dupe*, equivocate, exaggerate, fabricate, fake, falsify, fib, forswear, frame, fudge, go back on, invent, make believe, malign, misguide, misinform, misconstruct, mislead, misrepresent, misspeak, misstate, overdraw, palter, perjure, pervert, phony, plant*, prevaricate, promote, put on*, put up a front, snow*, soft-soap, string along, victimize,

BEGUILE defn. amuse, attract, cheer, delight, distract, divert, engross, entertain, entice, knock dead, knock out, lure, occupy, seduce, send, slay, solace, sweep off one's feet, tickle, tickle pink, tickle to death, turn on, vamp, wow

CON defn. bluff, cheat, crime, deception, double-cross, dupe, fraud, gold brick, graft, mockery, swindle, take in

DELUDE defn. beguile, betray, bluff, caboodle, cheat, con,cozen, disinform, do a number on, double-cross,dupe*, gull, hoax*, hoodwink*, illude, impose on,jive, juggle, lead up garden path, misguide,mislead, mousetrap, outfox, play trick on, snow*,string along, sucker, take in, trick

[ejonesie22]

Again nothing. Thanks for proving me right.

You should try proving your accusations sometime

LOL.

[MHGinTN]

I have no doubt that it appears that way to the hive mind. Sad for the Mormonism denyvendors however is the FACT that I quoted the peepstone 'profit' sexual predator of married women who founded your false religion Christianity 'lookalike'. And I quoted the teaching materials from LDS central, and I quote from the poorly written novel known as 'The Book of Mormon.

It is however interesting to witness the hive mentality committing self-blinding in order to cling to the heresies at the foundation of momronism. One cannot help but have pity upon those who go to such extreme as to not even read the quotes from the founders of their false religion so that they may deny the exposure of same.

[MHGinTN]

Norm, answer truthfully to the best of your knowledge, did the god of Mormonism 'gains' the attributes of godhood from a state of not having them prior to gaining them? Answer that one in your soul, Norm. Then think about how that answer is contradictory to what the Bible teaches in the Torah concerning God The Father Almighty, maker of Heaven and Earth, Who was before there was anything, in Whom was The Word, and The Word was God from the beginning, Who became flesh and dwelt among us.

Your religion has at the foundation a very different god and thus a very different Jesus, both having been 'promoted'/'exalted' to the positions in a thing your religion calls 'the godhead' which obviously did not exist when the Mormonism claimed 'council of the gods' selected the god who sired Jesus and 'Lucifer' thereafter.

Your religion may be a very satisfying religion for you, but it is not Christianity. And it definitely is not 'restored Christianity' as your deceit-filled founder claimed. Christianity is not based on a god who had to gain the attributes of godhood, being exalted from a status of mere mortal. Nor is the Savior in Christianity a sired brother of a being found named IN LATIN in the 600BC edition of the Book of Isaiah.

If you will but read the posted teachings from your religion's founders, you will see that Joseph Smith was a liar and conman, and Mormonism has the satanic power of deceit undergirding it else the blindness of followers of this fraudulent religion would not be so held by the darkness at the heart of the mormonic deceits. But typical of all satanic pathways, the Truth exposes the lies at the heart of Mormonism. Some, sadly, choose to believe the lies even when the truth exposes the heresies in Mormonism. If such want to follow the lies and thus the fathe rof lies, the dust being shaken from sandals wore with the work of exposing lies will be a lasting testimony.

Please remeber one thing: the zealous followers of Baal or Molech worship were so convinced the lies were facts that they even tossed their own children into the white-hot arms of the idol. The screams of their children probably ring in their ears eternally ... in Hell.

[MHGinTN]

The following shows the God of Christianity:

John 1:1-4 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God; this one was in the beginning with God; all things through him did happen, and without him happened not even one thing that hath happened. In him was life, and the life was the light of men [Young’s Literal Translation]

The assertion I made, that 'the following shows the God of Christianity' followed by the first four verses in John's Gospel reads as foolishness to the Mormon mind, because what John says in verses 1-4 refers to Jesus. To the Mormon mind, referring solely to Jesus does not define god as the Mormon religion defines god.

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

1 Corinthians 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

[reaganaut]

I know you are very well read, and I appreciate that. :)

[Paragon Defender]

You just proved my point by responding with a GENERALIZATION and FAILING to provide any:

Facts
Evidence
Logical reasoning.

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False as usual.

Undecided readers,

If you peruse the Free Republic religion forums you will notice a pattern. There’s an anti-Mormon group of people here that spends a great deal of their time attacking the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They post regurgitated propaganda on an almost daily basis.

They have a misguided obsession. You can witness many different tactics employed that you might find quite interesting. The straw man argument is a big favorite and is frequently preceded by cherry-picking quotes or other material. After the “quotation” the attacker will misrepresent what has been said or what was meant and then attack their own interpretation. You’ll likely see perfect examples of just this shortly after I post.

Sometimes they cruise the headlines of the day seeking any story that might be twisted into making the Church look bad. Anything will do, just watch the progression of posts following it and see what I mean.

After reading their posts, I invite you to seek the truth about whatever “issue” they seem to be “revealing” or “exposing”. I promise that if you do so with honest intent, the “ahah” moments you will have will be many and frequent. You will start to recognize the tactics employed to cleverly twist and attack and will likely chuckle the more you see. In actuality, there’s nothing new here. It’s all been addressed many times before.

Here’s a few links to get your started from a different viewpoint. I have found that the vast majority of the “issues” brought up can be found and addressed at http://www.fairlds.org/ but here’s more:

http://scriptures.lds.org/
http://www.lds.org
http://www.fairlds.org/
http://www.mormonwiki.com/Main_Page
http://www.lightplanet.com/response/index.html
http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDS_Intro.shtml
http://www.answeringantimormons.com/index.htm
http://promormon.blogspot.com/

[reaganaut]

A girl can dream...

[ejonesie22]

False as usual.

Unsubstantiated and unproven accusation as usual.

Thanks again for continuing to make our point.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Me: “You just proved my point by responding with a GENERALIZATION and FAILING to provide any:

“Facts
“Evidence
“Logical reasoning.

You: “False as usual.

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Another generalization. :-)

It seems you are unclear on what a “generalization” is.
It seems you are unclear on what a “fact” is.
It seems you are unclear on what “logical reasoning” is.
It seems you are unclear on what “truth” is.

ampu

[MHGinTN]

It may be an age related problem: too young to have learned enough to competently exchange on an open forum, or too old and senile to remember what to exchange on an open forum. either way, the poster offers--every time--an opportunity to see the vacuousness of Mormonism apologetics when the truth of their religion is posted in the quotes from their own founding fraud 'profit' or the later leadership. I'm going to repeat a few of the salient quotes this evening.

[greyfoxx39]

Undecided readers,

If you peruse the Free Republic religion forums you will notice a pattern. There’s a mormon poster here that spends a great deal of his time posting . He posts regurgitated propaganda on an almost daily basis.  This propaganda consists of links to sites that might just as well carry the message that :

These  multiple spam messages do not address the many examples of mormon doctrine that are posted directly from mormon scriptures and the statements of mormon leaders.

This must lead you to realize that there is NO legitimate method for FR mormons to address the words of their scriptures and leaders in an attempt to paint the mormon religion as Christian.  In fact, statements from mormon doctrine and leaders can ONLY show that these doctrines and leaders were RABIDLY ANTI-CHRISTIAN, from the founder Joseph Smith down through more than 180 years.

Mormonism is attempting to co-opt the Christian message and twist it to include this anti-Christian doctrine so that the world will accept the demand of the mormon church that it be included in the Christian community. 

Don't fall for the lies. Your eternal soul is at risk.

[reaganaut]

Well said, Grey!

[greyfoxx39]

I’m happy you are back online. Hope things are going well for you.