Posted on 08/31/2010 6:42:35 PM PDT by Gamecock
I really like Glenn Beck. Though I have never met him in person, I have often watched his television programs and thought it would be so nice to have that kind of a guy as a friend. I imagine that he is far too busy and way too inaccessible for that to become a reality, but I do genuinely like the man. He is insightful, articulate, funny, and seems to want some great things for his family and our nation. I do think that sometimes he has one or two conspiracy theories that may not be fully justified - we shall see - but all in all, Glenn seems to be a really nice guy.
I share many of the same goals as Glenn. I speak as one born in England but now very much a U.S. citizen. All my children were born here in these United States and I live and pray for America to become in all reality, "one nation under God." I love America. I sincerely believe Glenn does too.
But I do have a problem - not a problem with him as a person in any way at all, but when he asks me to join him in praying for the very same things I wish for my country, I just cannot. I can pray for these things privately, and with fellow Christians, of course, and I do. I just cannot stand with Glenn in a public setting and be comfortable while I know he is praying to a false god. How could I ever say "Amen" at the end of his prayer that people would turn back to the god he serves? I just cannot do it. That is because Glenn Beck is a Mormon. The "god" he prays to is not in any way the same God as mine.
I know.. I know.. even saying this is politically and religiously incorrect, but I cannot help but say it. When Glenn Beck speaks of "god" we need to remember that he uses a different dictionary to Christians. The God of the Bible is One in essence and eternally exists in three co-equal Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Mormons reject this completely, believing that there are many worlds controlled by different gods and the god of this planet was once a man. The Jesus of Mormonism is the begotten offspring of this exalted man in sexual union with one of his many wives, and this god lives on a planet circling a star named Kolob, and his "gospel" is the message of how you, too, can be exalted to godhood. Christianity is Monotheistic. Mormonism is the most polytheistic religion in the world. Doctrine matters folks and deceived people, deceive people!
A dear fellow Christian, in coming to understand where I am on this issue wrote to me today saying, "I like Glenn Beck and appreciate his effort to bring America back to her godly roots. He is doing a great job in uniting government, church, and media. He does speak from a Mormon perspective but still has a heart of seeing America return to God even though he might not have the same theological view as we do."
I responded by saying, " I understand you - but I cannot agree that Mormonism is in any way "godly." According to the Bible, there is nothing at all godly about false religion. Godliness is not just about acts of service, honor, integrity, courage and the like, as wonderful as these things are, but it also includes worship of the One true God and the avoidance of all forms of idolatry. Mormonism is idolatrous worship and when Glenn Beck prays, despite his intentions, he prays to a false god who cannot help either Mr. Beck or America."
I can remember reading about the worshippers of the golden calf. They had high family values and were absolutely sincere in their worship. Now I may not be the sharpest tool in the drawer, but I do tend to get the distinct impression that God didn't like the worship - yeah, the ground opening up and swallowing the worshippers.. hmmm... it does lead me to believe that God was somehow ticked, wouldn't you say?
And then I wonder what God would feel about a "prophet" in the Old Testament asking Baal to bring Israel back to its godly roots. I think in such times, he would be stoned. In Deuteronomy 18:20 God says to His people, "But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die."
God often tested His people by seeing if they would be true to Him even as false prophets tried to lure them away from Himself. God says, "If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, ‘Let us go after other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the Lord your God is testing you, to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall walk after the Lord your God and fear him and keep his commandments and obey his voice, and you shall serve him and hold fast to him. But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has taught rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you out of the house of slavery, to make you leave the way in which the Lord your God commanded you to walk. So you shall purge the evil from your midst" (Deuteronomy 13:1-5).
Thank God for grace!!! (we don't stone false prophets now) but I believe God's feelings about false worship have not changed. As Glenn Beck calls this nation to pray for some very valuable, important and even vital things, I ask now, is God testing us in the same way today? Perhaps God has raised Glenn Beck up for this very purpose, to test our hearts. Just a thought!
As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord, the one and only God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the eternal One, Yahweh, the great I AM, the Alpha and Omega, who is from everlasting to everlasting.
So, though I really like you Glenn, thanks for the invite, but I cannot join you.
I took a look at your page on FR and saw all of the research, questions and answers you have posted.
Your page and with this thread, has interested me enough to start reading an online version of the BOM for the first time. It's very interesting and I wanted to say thanks for your work FRiend!
For several days I've considered your words and I just wanted to back track a like to say thank you posting them.
I'm sure God has blessed you many times in your life for your courage and wisdom. The churches (what ever the denomination) all need more deacons like you sir!
Next time, I'll listen! LOL
Did you know there are online bibles as well?
Be sure to avail yourself of the MORMON scriptures that REALLY contain most of their practiced doctrines: The Doctrines & Covenants.
They can be found at the LDS (Salt Lake City branch) website: LDS.ORG
Are you sure you haven’t been tricked into joining the “dark side”? That posting number sure looks suspicious! I have read satan is king of deception and his message usually involves “hate” in one form or another. FYI, Glenn Beck is right about evil not being able to understand good and hate being a poison.
what faith are you,
I have faith that God will personally deal with any church that crosses the line of what's appropriate worship or practice, as he has done throughout history. I have faith that God’s mystery will be revealed after the great tribulation and only then will we know which church doctrine was even close to what God intended. But then it won’t matter because there will be no need for a “church”.
what church do you practice your religion in?
I will let you keep trying to guess my church. I LOL when you “safely” thought it was LDS. How many things you could be wrong about?
Limiting beliefs to a Church doctrine would be like trying to contain the ocean in a small cup, the same can be said of any book. I think it ludicrous that anyone would imagine that God and his mysteries can be locked into a finite container. But this is the insanity that continues to plague “humanity”. It leads to condemnation and murder of any who disagree with the "only true" religion, depending upon whose religion it is. Freedom of, or from religion was a truly radical idea when the forefathers decided to include it in our constitution. We Americans should all thank God every Sunday for his divine guidance during its creation.
That’s all I have to say about this. Please open your heart and allow the Holy Spirit to counsel you about contempt for others who don't believe as you believe.
Of course Elsie, Bible Gateway is my favorite. What's yours?
I'm fully capable of deciding for myself what I'll be reading. But thanks for the recommendation. I'll take it into consideration and there's no need to shout. ;)
You arrogantly patronize others while insisting they see the truth in obviously untrue doctrines or at least treat them as equals.
You even go as far as to tell me where I can post on Free republic...
Yet you don't even have enough courage in your own convictions to be honest about your own faith. You will not answer a very simple question.
I have seen that before, here and other places. That little game of not being honest and straight forward in ones own words and in answering questions denotes an interesting agenda.
I have no contempt for people who don't believe as I do, if I did I would leave them to their fate and ignore Christ's Great commission as well as his admonismenst and the ones of of his apostles to point out false teaching and false prophets, to love those searching and snatch from the fire those too blinded to see. Perhaps you have heard of this concept.
It is those false teachings I have contempt for. It is those that manipulate the teachings of Christ for their own ends, the smooth operators that take advantage of the innocents that I have contempt for. That you are trying to blur the lines is just an extension of your deception and inability to be straight forward in your dealings with others.
So I will give you another shot, an opportunity to prove me wrong about you.
Answer my question.
What part of, "That’s all I have to say about this." do you not understand?
:)
I understand all of it.
That is my point in giving you ANOTHER opportunity, a second chance to be honest and straight forward, to change you mind.
Like I ask you once before, logic much?
It is also proves my main point when you continue on your little game without answering a simple question. One should be proud of their faith and willing to express it.
I will give you a full example.
“Hey ejonesie22, what is your faith?”
Well I am a Methodist by practice and attend a UMC church, though I also have an Orthodox back ground and still on occasion attend those services as well.
Don't worry, it was expected that you would continue your coy little self entertaining game, indeed it is one of my favorite parts of dealing with those who support deceptions and such, they do a lot of the work for me especially when they treat faith as something to be toyed with.
So thanks are in order, and I will hold out hope that the spirit of honesty will sweep over you when you deal with others.
Slick games are not for the truly faithful.
My God is not short on cash.
The Counterfeit has convinced the many that the original is the wrong way.
But if one thinks that God died on the cross and that Jesus talked to himself then insanity is the only logical option.
I like that better than the others as well.
It allows the cutting/copying of a chunk of Scripture MUCH easier than the rest.
I thought SHOUTING was all caps; whereas a single word or two is merely STRESSING them a bit.
When you start STRESSING more than one word in a sentence, some people might consider that getting a bit loud.
Probably just your style and I reading more into it than I should. :)
I have a audible bible and it allows me to listen while driving or doing other activities. The NKJV is only about 66 hours.
Enjoy the read, and don't forget to pray about it!
See http://scriptures.lds.org/en/acts/17/23#23
We just declare truth and offer knowledge we do not post Scriptures or quotes from your leaders grunge to destroy your faith. It's not our or God's style.
But your 'truth' and your knowledge' is MORMON heresy.
I'm sorry if the QUOTES from YOUR leaders and teachers causes one to doubt they know what the hell they are talking about!
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