Posted on 08/31/2010 6:42:35 PM PDT by Gamecock
I really like Glenn Beck. Though I have never met him in person, I have often watched his television programs and thought it would be so nice to have that kind of a guy as a friend. I imagine that he is far too busy and way too inaccessible for that to become a reality, but I do genuinely like the man. He is insightful, articulate, funny, and seems to want some great things for his family and our nation. I do think that sometimes he has one or two conspiracy theories that may not be fully justified - we shall see - but all in all, Glenn seems to be a really nice guy.
I share many of the same goals as Glenn. I speak as one born in England but now very much a U.S. citizen. All my children were born here in these United States and I live and pray for America to become in all reality, "one nation under God." I love America. I sincerely believe Glenn does too.
But I do have a problem - not a problem with him as a person in any way at all, but when he asks me to join him in praying for the very same things I wish for my country, I just cannot. I can pray for these things privately, and with fellow Christians, of course, and I do. I just cannot stand with Glenn in a public setting and be comfortable while I know he is praying to a false god. How could I ever say "Amen" at the end of his prayer that people would turn back to the god he serves? I just cannot do it. That is because Glenn Beck is a Mormon. The "god" he prays to is not in any way the same God as mine.
I know.. I know.. even saying this is politically and religiously incorrect, but I cannot help but say it. When Glenn Beck speaks of "god" we need to remember that he uses a different dictionary to Christians. The God of the Bible is One in essence and eternally exists in three co-equal Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Mormons reject this completely, believing that there are many worlds controlled by different gods and the god of this planet was once a man. The Jesus of Mormonism is the begotten offspring of this exalted man in sexual union with one of his many wives, and this god lives on a planet circling a star named Kolob, and his "gospel" is the message of how you, too, can be exalted to godhood. Christianity is Monotheistic. Mormonism is the most polytheistic religion in the world. Doctrine matters folks and deceived people, deceive people!
A dear fellow Christian, in coming to understand where I am on this issue wrote to me today saying, "I like Glenn Beck and appreciate his effort to bring America back to her godly roots. He is doing a great job in uniting government, church, and media. He does speak from a Mormon perspective but still has a heart of seeing America return to God even though he might not have the same theological view as we do."
I responded by saying, " I understand you - but I cannot agree that Mormonism is in any way "godly." According to the Bible, there is nothing at all godly about false religion. Godliness is not just about acts of service, honor, integrity, courage and the like, as wonderful as these things are, but it also includes worship of the One true God and the avoidance of all forms of idolatry. Mormonism is idolatrous worship and when Glenn Beck prays, despite his intentions, he prays to a false god who cannot help either Mr. Beck or America."
I can remember reading about the worshippers of the golden calf. They had high family values and were absolutely sincere in their worship. Now I may not be the sharpest tool in the drawer, but I do tend to get the distinct impression that God didn't like the worship - yeah, the ground opening up and swallowing the worshippers.. hmmm... it does lead me to believe that God was somehow ticked, wouldn't you say?
And then I wonder what God would feel about a "prophet" in the Old Testament asking Baal to bring Israel back to its godly roots. I think in such times, he would be stoned. In Deuteronomy 18:20 God says to His people, "But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die."
God often tested His people by seeing if they would be true to Him even as false prophets tried to lure them away from Himself. God says, "If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, ‘Let us go after other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the Lord your God is testing you, to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall walk after the Lord your God and fear him and keep his commandments and obey his voice, and you shall serve him and hold fast to him. But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has taught rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you out of the house of slavery, to make you leave the way in which the Lord your God commanded you to walk. So you shall purge the evil from your midst" (Deuteronomy 13:1-5).
Thank God for grace!!! (we don't stone false prophets now) but I believe God's feelings about false worship have not changed. As Glenn Beck calls this nation to pray for some very valuable, important and even vital things, I ask now, is God testing us in the same way today? Perhaps God has raised Glenn Beck up for this very purpose, to test our hearts. Just a thought!
As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord, the one and only God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the eternal One, Yahweh, the great I AM, the Alpha and Omega, who is from everlasting to everlasting.
So, though I really like you Glenn, thanks for the invite, but I cannot join you.
The rally was clearly a non-denominational one, and Glenn Beck and all of the participants made sure of it.
If it wasn’t, I would have had a problem with that.
Interesting that the only one you noticed was actually the oldest example. You missed a few. I gave more than one example, but a few of them hidden in plain sight in my reply. One of them was said on Sunday. One of them came very close to being said...in this very thread...not 15 minutes before I posted. Strange that you missed it.
Strange you provided no links.
ANY!
Really?
As far as FReepers go comments like that get removed post haste. I have seen them, but not near what I posted as a reply. Think the closest I have seen is one FReeper advocating rounding up ALL LDS and investigate ALL LDS for child abuse during the FLDS raids. Mormons have been called more dangerous than Islam to the freedom and security of this Nation...here, at FR.
So basically only other pertinent example you gave was the FLDS as I mentioned. Sorry but “I have seen’ doesn't count, especially with LDS apologist because they “see” a lot that is not there and never substantiated. As far as the more dangerous, while i don't agree with such in the political sense, I can see, given the support of Romney here on FR last cycle for example, how one could get to that conclusion, though it is a tick hyperboleish to me. Spiritually since the LDS mimic Christians they are more dangerous than many false religions save other heretical cults also posing as Christian. The enemy that tries to look and act like you is the hardest to fight. Take this in the spirit intended (knowing you can't at least for appearances sake) but there is a reason spies are treated to a different standard than foot soldiers.
But I guess I should apologies that you have been so put upon and that we have managed to shut down so many of your temples and have literally duct taped your mouths shut and shanghaied those 50k some out salesmen you send out....
I feel so bad...
(That was for your fellow apologists, a freebie, y'all are having a rough week)
Yes, really. Absolutely!
Well for once I can agree with you. Good on ya.
Yep. A few careers ago, I was a pressman's helper in a printing plant. I worked for a solid gold, iron-clad, waste of skin. Non-Christian, non-anything, really. Ran around on his wife while she was in a mental hospital, morning the death of her father, that kind of guy.
One day, I dropped a small hand-sized metal bar into the press (which was, thank God, not moving at the time.) I felt stupid and panicked. He looked the situation, puffed his cigarette (yes, THAT long ago), and pushed one of two buttons to inch the press forward. The "paper grabbers", tiny metal teeth, picked up the wrench and brought it back to the surface.
In the aftermath, I knew two things: 1) I was the beneficiary of Grace, because, once I thought about it, I never actually thought to pray to God for help. And 2), look at the person God used to deliver me.
He never listened to my witnessing, and I don't know what the state of his soul was after I left there. But God used an unexpected individual to save me, and how stupid I would have been to turn down His help!
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Clarity and communication does not appear to be the intent.
Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
I’m going to have to go with that. I’m a simple person, and I find that there is often clarity in simplicity.
Mussolini had the trains run on time ....
Sometimes it may look like there is fruit, but it is only a promise..for that truth I refer you to the story of the fig tree.. Jesus approached the fig tree for a piece of fruit because it was in full leaf, figs are hidden within the leaves.. the leaves would suggest there was fruit there... but when Jesus got there the tree that looked like it had fruit had none, He cursed it.
Matt 21:19 And seeing a fig tree by the way side, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only; and he saith unto it, Let there be no fruit from thee henceforward for ever. And immediately the fig tree withered away.
Seeing signs of fruit does not mmean there is any God pleasing fruit there..
Mom, that is one of the best posts I have ever seen on FR.
I dunno, Mom. I think sometimes when the argument and rationalizations become so convoluted it’s because they’re just basically hard to defend. Sometimes even impossible.
Aww thanks GC
Yea I know, I actual could partner with Beck on political matters.. but there is much more going on here.. we have to be very careful and pray for discernment ...
We need to put Christ first, then things become clearer:)
Why would we need to pray for discernment when we can just come to you?
That is the difference between common grace and saving grace.
Pagans can be splendid heart surgeons, but that doesn’t mean we should pray to their false gods.
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