Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
There was no "John" per say. He is a conjecture based on the legend. "John's" Gospel, Revelation and Epistles remain anonymous and were "assigned" to John by the Church based purely on legend or better yet myth.
But there is no doubt why the last Gospel was written and why all the Johannine Espites and Revelation followed suit: the establishment of divine Christian authority separate from, and outside of Judaism.
It not the risen Christ per say—since Paul preaches the risen Christ—but the divine risen Christ of John that accomplishes the goal of establishing a divine authority for the new sect rejected by the Jews.
For Paul, Christ is the true Jewish messiah, raised by God, and is never identified with God, but only as the image (icon) reflecting the fullness of divinity, a foremost among the creatures to whom God gave all authority.
But to Paul, being a Christian was no different than being an Essene, a Pharisee, or a Sadducee: they were Jews. They attended synagogues and sacrificed at the Temple. There was simply no "new god" in any of it until "John," that is—when the Nazarenes were thrown out of the synagogues and their books rejected by the rabbis c AD 90.
On another thread recently I provided some information that basically supported the assertion someone was making but from a Catholic perspective and rather than even realizing what I had written he went off on me being Catholic in the first place. You can be sure I won't be expending any energy on his posts in the future unless it entertains me, as far as constructively engaging his ideas: that's never going to happen again.
I believe your theology is horribly misguided but I'm not going to presume to tell you why the leaders of your religion say what they say or do what they do, I'm not going to presume to know more about your religious beliefs than you do and I'm certainly not going to even remotely imagine that I have a better insight into the workings of your religion.
I was raised a Nazarene but it's been almost 25 years since I "practiced" (which is completely the wrong word but I'm not going to spend any time thinking of the right word considering the state of this thread) and I couldn't begin to speak authoritatively about their beliefs and practices or the intentions of their various leaders.
I'm also not going to pretend that my google-fu makes me an expert in whatever it is you spend your life doing.
There are PLENTY of legitimate reasons to condemn individual bishops and even entire conferences of bishops. There are PLENTY of disastrous efforts in contemporary Catholic theology worthy of condemnation. Making stuff up out of speculative conspiracy theories and know-nothingism ONLY serves to obscure the actual problems and dangers. And the ONLY beneficiary of that kind of thing is satan.
Of course not. Dogma is a commandment that must be accepted. No Catholic was obligated to believe in Mary's Assumption until it was made a matter of dogma, whether it is true or not.
The Church didn't define the Holy Trinity until some time after the Resurrection; however, the Trinity has ALWAYS existed
By definition based on an a priori belief; not buy any objective proof.
AMEN! Wonderful picture.
O for a closer walk with God,
a calm and heavenly frame,
a light to shine upon the road
that leads me to the Lamb!
What peaceful hours I once enjoyed!
How sweet their memory still!
But they have left an aching void
The world can never fill.
Return, O holy Dove, return,
sweet messenger of rest;
I hate the sins that made thee mourn,
and drove thee from my breast.
THE DEAREST IDOL I HAVE KNOWN,
WHATE’ER THAT IDOL BE,
HELP ME TO TEAR IT FROM THY THRONE,
AND WORSHIP ONLY THEE.
So shall my walk be close with God,
calm and serene my frame;
so purer light shall mark the road
that leads me to the Lamb.
William Cowper, 1772
Amen. Wonderful depiction of Calvin.
When you find anyone praying to that statue of Calvin, you let us know.
God willing, one day Roman Catholics will understand the difference.
I think taking away the cudgel that they beat you with has spoiled all their fun
THAT would be fun to observe, even to contemplate.
However . . . maybe I’m too jaded . . .
My observation is that
they are such experts at BREEDING cudgels . . . deriving new ones about as plentifully as they do new STATIONS of the
STATIONS OF THE WHITE HANKY . . .
They will likely have little trouble coming up with replacement cudgels in due course . . .
even subtracting out for anemic creativity.
However, I’m glad they aren’t mocking Holy Spirit so much . . . that can get spiritually hazardous rather quickly.
Thanks for your kind posts.
Could well be.
Though I think the South American thing mushroomed a significant lapse in time after the birth of the Charismatic Movement.
I could be wrong about that. They might have been more concurrent than I thought.
it’s been a hard week for the ones who like to malign you. not only has the Air Force admitted to ufos (for whatever reason) but now we find out 140 million Catholics have gone awol, lol
PRAISE GOD.
That’s more than I expected.
oh it’s taking over, imagine the repercussions
What is fascinating though is what this movement is going to do to your staid old girl. If it is a genuine movement of the HS, there won’t be a need for a pope or a magisterium, and all the ritual etc etc
If it is a fake movement, no good will come of it
INDEED.
I think for most of those 140 million RC’s . . . they already put more stock in Holy Spirit’s leading than they do the magicsterical.
Holy Spirit has a way of affirming His communicnations to those who are attentive and obedient TO HIM—ways the magicsterical can not even hope to match.
God willing, one day Calvinists will understand the difference.
I know there will be objections about previous posts by someone using this moniker but what is true of the one is true of the all.
Now turning our attention to these arranged (by whom is unknown and probably unknowable) pixels. They DO seem to have a certain ability to read the minds of the long passed away but that is of course only a myth.
Pixels, like pixie dust, exist only in the eye of the eye holder. No pixels, no “kosta50”, case closed.
More information in the book, “George Washington was a Committee Since I Have Never Seen Him”.
No need to reply as I can read the minds of the living as well as the dead.
No, but rather every priest and not only St. Paul is acting in the person of Christ.
The point remains that in Matt 22:16 and Gal. 2:6 it is impossible to translate prosopos as “presence”. Nor is it a “toss up” in 2 Cor. 1:11. What sense does “by many presences to us a gift” make? It is people not presences who pray.
Do you understand the difference between admiring a statue of a dead person and praying to a statue of a dead person?
it’s been a hard week for the ones who like to malign you. not only has the Air Force admitted to ufos (for whatever reason) but now we find out 140 million Catholics have gone awol, lol
I guess you’re right. I hadn’t thought of it in those terms.
I’d send condolence cards but I think they’d be marked:
RETURN TO SENDER unopened! LOL.
You are a treasure Bro.
However, what on earth are your fellow Calvinists et al going to say for such understanding kindnesses in my direction? Wouldn’t want them to call in your membership card!
I wonder if what you’ve cited is part of the reason that so few RC’s and others commented on the SHOCKING UFO/Military thread.
Is it REALLY beginning to sink in that there are other realities at hand than had been remotely considered possible?
I’m skeptical they are that far along in their paradigm shifts.
Maybe they are just starting to wonder if they’ve been a little bit wrong??? That would be a big enough shock to their systems.
I think your research on the RC Charismatics is a scream. Of course you are quite accurate. I’d alluded to such sometimes on this or that thread. Of course any such mention was immediately countered with all kinds of slippery denial and rationalizations.
However, 140 million is a bit of a big chunk to rationalize away tooooooooooo glibly.
LUB BRO.
> “But to Paul, being a Christian was no different than being an Essene, a Pharisee, or a Sadducee: they were Jews. They attended synagogues and sacrificed at the Temple. There was simply no “new god” in any of it until “John,” that is—when the Nazarenes were thrown out of the synagogues and their books rejected by the rabbis c AD 90.”
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You really ought to try actually READING what Paul and John wrote; it would completely eliminate your confusion. The epistle to the Romans in particular should do the trick.
They were never thrown out of any synogogue; they worshipped in them for several hundred years until The pagan Roman dictators took control over all worship, and removed every shred of obedience to the Lord’s commandments.
140 million and growing. Apparently they are all becoming their own popes. I’m not a Calvinist exactly, just a bible believer. If they pick on you, call me lol
oh it’s taking over, imagine the repercussions
I believe it’s going to be like in all denominations, congregations, groups.
The tares will be extracted from the wheat and thrown into the fire by Holy Spirit and possibly God’s angel armies.
There will likely be a period of time when the AC and that group of deluded will APPEAR TO HAVE the upper hand . . .
However, God has a passion for the underdog and using the underdog to upstage the elites of whatever group or sphere.
All to His Glory, of course.
I expect the RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS of the world as they are brought ever more inexorably under the control of the AC waiting in the wings . . . to attempt all manner of dramatic ‘signs and wonders’ to counterfeit Holy Spirit.
I suspect God will give them plenty of rope now and then to hang themselves with and let them gather a following in waves here and there . . .
only to show them up grandly and totally in surprising ways—often enough through children . . . and certainly through those who take God at His Word in child-like faith sorts of ways.
The Faithful from God’s perspective will be rather untainted by organizational labels, hoopla, rituals, heresies, boundaries etc. They will be passionately given to God’s written and spoken Word—to following THE GOOD SHEPHERD—WHO’S VOICE THEY KNOW.
Those still clinking to organizational labels, distinctives, rituals, structures and authorities will end up holding a very empty but stinky and poisonous bag.
imho.
Vot you tink, Bro?
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