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To: count-your-change
So who really wanted to Hellenize Jesus? John or some apostate “church fathers” that wanted to mix Greek philosophy with the Gospel?

There was no "John" per say. He is a conjecture based on the legend. "John's" Gospel, Revelation and Epistles remain anonymous and were "assigned" to John by the Church based purely on legend or better yet myth.

But there is no doubt why the last Gospel was written and why all the Johannine Espites and Revelation followed suit: the establishment of divine Christian authority separate from, and outside of Judaism.

It not the risen Christ per say—since Paul preaches the risen Christ—but the divine risen Christ of John that accomplishes the goal of establishing a divine authority for the new sect rejected by the Jews.

For Paul, Christ is the true Jewish messiah, raised by God, and is never identified with God, but only as the image (icon) reflecting the fullness of divinity, a foremost among the creatures to whom God gave all authority.

But to Paul, being a Christian was no different than being an Essene, a Pharisee, or a Sadducee: they were Jews. They attended synagogues and sacrificed at the Temple. There was simply no "new god" in any of it until "John," that is—when the Nazarenes were thrown out of the synagogues and their books rejected by the rabbis c AD 90.

9,941 posted on 10/10/2010 1:31:24 PM PDT by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: kosta50
There really is no “kosat50” except as a group of pixels on my screen, little points that disappear when the power is shut down. Therefore before a few minutes ago “kosta50” did not exist. And, if I so choose, will not exist in few more minutes.

I know there will be objections about previous posts by someone using this moniker but what is true of the one is true of the all.

Now turning our attention to these arranged (by whom is unknown and probably unknowable) pixels. They DO seem to have a certain ability to read the minds of the long passed away but that is of course only a myth.

Pixels, like pixie dust, exist only in the eye of the eye holder. No pixels, no “kosta50”, case closed.

More information in the book, “George Washington was a Committee Since I Have Never Seen Him”.

No need to reply as I can read the minds of the living as well as the dead.

9,953 posted on 10/10/2010 4:01:48 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: kosta50; count-your-change

> “But to Paul, being a Christian was no different than being an Essene, a Pharisee, or a Sadducee: they were Jews. They attended synagogues and sacrificed at the Temple. There was simply no “new god” in any of it until “John,” that is—when the Nazarenes were thrown out of the synagogues and their books rejected by the rabbis c AD 90.”

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You really ought to try actually READING what Paul and John wrote; it would completely eliminate your confusion. The epistle to the Romans in particular should do the trick.

They were never thrown out of any synogogue; they worshipped in them for several hundred years until The pagan Roman dictators took control over all worship, and removed every shred of obedience to the Lord’s commandments.


9,958 posted on 10/10/2010 5:02:16 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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