Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Thank you for the reply. Due to the scarcity of Catholic posters responses, I have had to do my own research. From what I've seen, Rome and your popes know exactly what they are doing. "In the spirit of ecumenism", they have found an inroad into Protestantism for their own means and ends and are milking it for all it's worth, to Rome. They dont care what you think.
And that brings us back to the "theme" of this thread.
Did he also think God spoke to him?
(#9846) "I know how the Holy Spirit has spoken and continues to speak to me."
God, through the Holy Spirit talks to us all. Some, like Charles Manson, choose not to listen.
The movement was officially approved at Vatican 2 it looks like, and putting Vatican 2 and 2 together-— why it looks like someone noticed how much Pentacostalism was growing in South America, Africa and around the world, and something needed to be done, to compete. The picture is getting clearer.
So one is saved by faith alone in Christ? There is nothing we offer to our salvation?
All that God predestines will be saved, that does not eliminate the need to preach the gospel to every person. They will hear it to their salvation or condemnation .
Bless you my child and may you have a wonderful "vacation". (How do you like the "my child" part?)
Thanks for your posts. Hope our paths cross again.
‘til then, God bless...
I think you're on a wild goose chase. The charismatic movement as it is understood by Catholics didn't even exist when VatII was going on. Cardinal Suenens who was one of the architect of the "reforms" of Vatican II later became the de facto patron of the charismatic movement... he was also the patron of Cardinal Danneels (that name shouldn't just ring a bell, it should explode the entire bell tower). He (Suenens) almost singlehandedly destroyed the Catholic Church in Belgium, and I don't mean by turning them all into pentecostals.
The Catholics have been holding out on us around here
140 million isn't exactly chump change
Faith is not a perpetual state in mankind. It is not like a diploma that once earned or achieved, survives all future actions. Everyone has momentary lapses, thoughts, words, deeds done and not done that break from beatitude. Some consciously choose sin. We are all required to perpetually reaffirm, reestablish and demonstrate our faith and grace.
Grace is a free gift from God that precedes faith, but that gift must be accepted.
In paraphrasing the Catechism; in faith the human intellect and will cooperate with divine grace. Faith is an act of the intellect, a human work, assenting to the divine truth by command of the will moved by God through grace.
If it is a fake movement, no good will come of it
As was pointed out, the teaching of Christ opening the gates of heaven was in the catechism thousands of children learned their faith from.. and apparently are still learning...I do not have to make this stuff up folks..
May 5th, 2010 05:24 PM #7 FrDavid Initiate
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Originally Posted by Iona
What is (are) the signifance(s) of the three days, aside from the obvious comparisons to His other three-day disappearances?
Also: Was His descent there necessary for the redemption of those who went to sheol before He came into the world? There is also another aspect of this. A little "salvation history" to start:
Answer:
As a consequence of the Fall, all of humanity was condemned to die and go to Hell. The gates of Heaven were closed. Remember: all of humanity. No human being could die without going to Hell. Christ was/is both fully divine and fully human. Because He experienced death on the cross, it was necessary for Him to descend into Hell--if not, He would not have had the full experience of human death. He couldn't have not-gone there*, because the Resurrection did not yet happen. To put that another way, He would have been "human like" rather than "fully human" and of course we know that's not the case. As a result of Christ Himself "breaking open" the gates of Hell, other human beings can follow, but this could not happen until after the Resurrection. The righteous ones in Hell were taken into Heaven, and those who die after the Resurrection can now be admitted to Heaven.
* of course, He could have decided not to go, but that would then make the entire Incarnation pointless because, as I said in the post, it would have meant that Christ was only "human-like."
Hows that for theology?
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FrDavid Initiate Join Date Apr 2010 Posts 14
It depends upon how one phrases the sentence. On the one hand, when we talk about the "moment" of the salvation, we consider the entire Passion/Death/Resurrection to be a single "moment" in salvation history. So yes, we certainly can say that the Gates of Heaven opened when Christ died on the cross. On the other hand, if we're having a conversation that's specifically about the individual events of passion/death/resurrection then in that case, it wasn't until the Resurrection happened that the gates of heaven were truly opened (also, the gates of Hell which then opened to release the souls of the righteous so that they could enter into Heaven). Of course, gates is just a metaphor. It just comes down to the context of the conversation, how we might phrase the sentence.
How about if the Queen of Heaven says it?
" "ALL SHALL NOT ENTER" "Do not fall into the trap set by satan by misleading you into a false security because of My Sacrifice for mankind to open the gates of the Kingdom of your God. Many are called, but few are chosen. My Sacrifice guaranteed eternal life to all, but all shall not enter, for many have rejected the message of your God from the beginning of time and they did not enter!
"You have a false security that all is forgiven. But is this not sheer insanity in sin to believe that you may offend your God and break His rules and enter? What manner of life would there be in your Kingdom of Heaven? All will enter by merit! Many shall enter through suffering and atonement and penance." - Jesus, February 10, 1976
Reply to Objection 3. As was stated above (Question 39, Article 5), the heavens were opened at Christ's baptism, not for Christ's sake, to whom heaven was ever open, but in order to signify that heaven is opened to the baptized, through Christ's baptism, which has its efficacy from His Passion.
Reply to Objection 4. Christ by His Passion merited for us the opening of the kingdom of heaven, and removed the obstacle; but by His ascension He, as it were, brought us to the possession of the heavenly kingdom. And consequently it is said that by ascending He "opened the way before them."
Is preaching limited to a recitation of the written Scripture or does it (should it) include a demonstration of actually living the Scriptures?
Works never saved anyone .
No matter how "selfless " a life one lives another will never know the gospel through it..
Hopefully our lives reflect the grace of God to others,but because we are still human we will fall and fail, but sometimes the act of getting back up, is the best testimony of His grace
Do you know what the gospel is NL??
Grace is Gods unmerited favor ...Who could refuse the gracious love gift of God? Who would desire to?
You have it backwards!
Eph. 2So, the Grace is through Faith, and the Faith is not even ours, it is a gift of God.
[8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: [9] Not of works, lest any man should boast.
No works have any part in our salvation; the works are the visible result of our salvation, just as James stated.
I believe it was you that told me they were a contextual addendum to the Old Testament preached exclusively to the Jews and apostles.
In reality the Gospels are the heart of all the Scriptures because they are our principal source for the teachings of the Incarnate Word, Jesus. We would not have the Gospels had the Apostolic Tradition of the Church not preserved them for us and I would not believe in them had not Holy Spirit and the authority of the Catholic Church already moved me.
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